How is an entemologist this bad?

@i_drown_birds_in_drainfluid if you're going to insult people at least learn how to spell entomologist

Hi @heatherliz! Can you provide a size estimate for this scat?

Ok got it thanks.

@birderjack

@roomthily @eric_hough

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associated with voucher Szubryt MB 2350 (OKL)

Exorista?

Tiene la inflorescencia masculina y femenina muy visibles

planted - plz mark such observations as CULTIVATED in the future!

definitely not a dog - the tracks were in the middle of a trail at.a large puddle and nowhere else. dogs follow the trails and I would have seen a track somewhere else. dog print is quite different.

Well considering I have almost 15K observations done in the past 2 years all done on a volunteer basis on "crown" land under the gun, I hope I can be forgiven for sticking my neck out on the odd occasion :)

@beartracker

These tracks show four toes in a symmetrical arrangement. The claws are relatively blunt. The metacarpal pads are small in relation to toe size. Fisher tracks show five toes with metapodial pads that are split into four lobes. In this substrate, the lobes should have shown up clearly. The triangular metapodial pads of these tracks are those of a canine.

This might be helpful as a general guide to canine tracks.

Probably more like Sinosuthora alphonsiana

@jianong_l
Both species inhabit the area (apparently, according to the Inaturalist maps for species range)
Also, Sinosuthora Webbiana has been observed here however Sinosuthora Alphonsiana has not been seen here.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?nelat=45.800151561213234&nelng=8.742510922771967&place_id=any&subview=map&swlat=45.766807201247715&swlng=8.704965702667499&taxon_id=339759

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/36094157 - Read the comments
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/31141104 - Read the comments

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281206246_The_parrotbills_in_Lombardia_Italy - I got this one from another observation in the area

@drmichaelbraun , @robangutan , @sandyr, @ldacosta , @filippoceccolini , @alexis_orion , @hschillo , @roby ,@elkvorr , @criptas , @whaichi , @zinogre , @redpandacat Could you help ID this observation please?

Thank you all!

At the time of the identification, I did not pay attention to the fact that the observation had been made in Italy. Birds of imported origin may come from more than one population. E.g. this observation may well represent the strain now considered Sinosuthora alphonsiana https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/46089513

Thank you for your help!

Thank you!

To me this looks an Ashy-throated - type bird, but probably should consider as a Vinous-throated Parrotbill. See: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281206246_The_parrotbills_in_Lombardia_Italy

I based this ID on the evidence I commented earlier and the fact that the bodies of the ones in the foreground are lighter than the Sinosuthora Alphonsiana

Hello, After reviewing photos of the area, I had a discussion with my old friends who are bird researchers in China, and we believe that two species of Sinosuthora (Sinosuthora alphonsiana and Sinosuthora webbiana) are present in this area of Italy at the same time, and the two barely interbreed in their range in China, but the two The two are barely interbred in their range in China, but the two are closely related and have the potential to interbreed after escaping in Italy. The image of several individuals in this photo is closer to Sinosuthora alphonsiana.

I just reviewed the article and according to some current opinion Sinosuthora alphonsiana and Sinosuthora webbiana should be treated as the same species, but the distribution of the two in China is more distinctly different and the differences in appearance are stable.

Thank you! How should this bird be called then?

For now, I suggest you use 'Sinosuthora alphonsiana' instead of 'Sinosuthora webbiana', since the article hasn't been published yet, and the list of IOC and Clements still recognizes its classification status.

What about the fact that it is known that this species was introduced and that it is known to be Sinosuthora Webbiana? Also, locally, this bird is known as 'Panuro di Webb' = Vinous-throated parrotbill = Sinosuthora webbiana.
Sinosuthora Alphonsiana is meant to live here but has never been recorded as actually living here according to this site. The Inaturalist maps do not even show that Sinosuthora Alphonsiana even lives in this location, but more west. That is probably a mistake however. Thank you for all your help with this observation! I cannot wait to see how this will turn out!

Neither Sinosuthora webbiana nor Sinosuthora Alphonsiana has a native distribution in Italy, and according to the article provided by @villerih, they both came from releases by wild bird dealers, so we speculate that bird dealers may have acquired both species from China at the same time. （We strongly condemn this behavior）
When I checked the Italian records of Sinosuthora Alphonsiana on Inaturalist yesterday, I found that they were both identified as Sinosuthora webbiana (of course, there was a mix of Sinosuthora webbiana, so I did not revise these correct identifications), and Sinosuthora webbiana is an extremely common bird in my old country, and we could easily find problems with their identification.

Maybe we should call this Sinosuthora Webbiana then? I agree that introducing species such as these is extremely bad. Thank you!

How strange. To me these look clearly like Sinosuthora alphonsiana. Both species are found locally where I live and usually more likely to mistake webbiana as alphonsiana than the other way around. I'll take another look later and read through the articles... but never seen Sinosuthora webbiana like these.

@behendrixson Can you take a look at this? It's been sitting here awhile and want to see if the ID is correct or not. Thanks!

@wnyjw

I hear them everywhere here in Canberra

Nice photo!

@wernerehl @chasemathey @threepogonias

Even if a known population, I'd have a hard time confirming it isn't just C. laxiflora without preigynia. I know the two co-occur at a site in the Holyoke Range, and I've gained false optimism based on foliage before.

mid-June would be better for C glaucoidea to catch it in seed. Photos with a scale for leaf width is important too.

@karro_frost Leaf width was <0.375 inches (or 0.9525 cm).

You said < 1 cm in the notes, didn't you. I'm still waking up this morning I guess!

No worries! 😄

well actually @radbackedsalamander said "stem width" which isn't the same, so the clarification was helpful but I agree with the cautionary notes to not ID this one without more morphology making an appearance.

Sorry! Didn't realize it at the time, I guess that's why I shouldn't be making captions and uploading obs at 1:30 am 😅

@billhubick
This one has been verified by bugguide
https://bugguide.net/node/view/2211567

@petewoods have you seen or are familiar with these? Looks like weevil damage but I'm not sure

ladybird pupa?

@csledge ?

a provincially rare species, scattered around Fredericton in disturbed ground sites

Good to know. Thank you @seanblaney

Billaea?

@helmwige @mariano-fernandez-kloster @diogoprov

@otes omg i didnt realize i had put it down as that lol

No worries!

Thanks🤗, is one of the hypotheses I had in mind, but why are there two sets of fleshy bearings? maybe the hind leg has gone to overlap with the front one?

@rouj, ici des exemples des Hormathia / here are examples of Hormathia.

Note: je ne suis pas certain pour celui en haut-gauche--nodules sont plus comme Actinauge cristata. Mais faible profondeur (<200 m) et attaché sur une surface, pas de vase, est plutôt comme Hormathia digitata. Les espèces dans la capture étaient indicative d'un fond de roche et de vase / Note: am not certain for the one in above-left--nodules on column (not just the scapus at top) seems like Actinauge cristata. But is shallow (<200 m) and seems fixed to a surface, not a ball of mud, makes it more like Hormathia digitata. The species in the capture were indicative of a mixed environment, of both rocky and soft bottom.

it can also be N. ditissima on a beech, but I don't know how to separate these two species...

Thanks for the correction @gibbergavin

No puedo ver las hojas, pero allí lo hay

After looking at the plate of cordigerum in Fernald/Rhodora 1945 I don't think any of these NC observations apply to the entity he had in mind, which had rather fine teeth (more like EUPAPER) and distinctly cordate leaf bases. I do wonder when "coarse and irregular teeth" came into the picture and was added to certain keys. This taxon I would say is the least convincing entity in Eupatorium.

I am comfortable with the E. cordigerum specimens I've identified from AR, because many/most of them were run through Schilling's lab for DNA. My general reference sheet shows cordigerum with leaves (much larger than rotundifolium) that are 3-veined, broadly ovate, strongly rugose, coarsely toothed, widest toward the middle, with sessile, to clasping, to narrowly connate-perfoliate bases and acute tips. Leaves typically had length to width ratios less than 2.0:1. Heads have 5-8 flowers, per FNA.

Since E. cordigerum is a hybrid of perfoliatum x rotundifolium, it should theoretically exist through much of the northeast. However, that doesn't mean there wouldn't be regional differences in features.

It's interesting at how easy cordigerum is to ID in the field, and how tough it is to do that from online photos (less sense of scale). Many of the cordigerum specimens I've collected were 2-4 feet tall.

If you do see local cordigerum candidates, maybe Schilling's lab can review.