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Grasshoppers, Locusts, and Allies (Suborder Caelifera) loarie Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:28:22 +0000

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@bouteloua et al. I did a comparison with OSF and here are the taxa that are in iNat but not in Orthoptera Species File if you want to investigate any

https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264540 Trimerotropis species-a
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264541 Trimerotropis pallidipennis-b
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264542 Trimerotropis aldeana
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264543 Xanthippus sierra
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264544 Conozoa rebellius
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264545 Heliastus speciosa
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264546 Arphia difficilis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264547 Acrotylus petruelis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264548 Circotettix splendidus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264549 Derotmema haydeni
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264550 Trilophidia japonica
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264551 Trepidulus haydeni
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264552 Psinidia amplicornis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264553 Psinidia eucerata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264554 Psinidia pardalina
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264555 Bryodema luctuosum
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264556 Acrotylus hottentottus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264557 Melanoplus frigidus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264558 Melanoplus geniculatus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264559 Melanoplus dealbatus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264560 Melanoplus deletor
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264561 Melanoplus harrisi
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264562 Melanoplus jucundus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264563 Melanoplus kennicotti
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264564 Melanoplus marshalli
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264565 Melanoplus militaris
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264566 Paroxya clavuliger
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264567 Melanoplus pinctus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264568 Melanoplus variegatus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264569 Melanoplus artemesiae
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264570 Melanoplus australis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264571 Aptenopedes aptera
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264572 Netrosoma fusiformis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264573 Necaxacris moctezumae
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264574 Phaedrotettix annulicornis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264575 Sinaloa behrensi
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264576 Phaedrotettix coloradus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264577 Eozubovskya
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264578 Aptenopedes hubbelli
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264579 Aptenopedes nigropicta
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264580 Aptenopedes robusta
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264581 Campylacantha acutipennis

Posted by loarie almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264582 Campylacantha vivax
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264583 Eotettix davisi
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264584 Eotettix quercicola
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264585 Parapodisma tanbaensis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264586 Odontopodisma schmidti
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264587 Prumna hayachinensis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264588 Eozubovskya banatica
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264589 Ronderosia bergi
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264590 Aztecacris gloriosus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264591 Chibchacris bistrigata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264592 Conalcaea truncatipennis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264593 Pedies variabilis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264594 Perixerus laevis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264595 Perixerus variabilis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264596 Barytettix humphreysi
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264597 Glyptobothrus yersini
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264598 Glyptobothrus mollis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264599 Dnopherulaini
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264600 Phlibostroma nebrascensis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264601 Omocestus viridulum
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264602 Bruneria alticola
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264603 Xeracris minimus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264604 Psoloessa salina
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264605 Cordillacris apache
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264606 Eupnigodes megacephala
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264607 Aulacobothrus dorsatas
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264608 Crucinotacris cruciata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264609 Silvitettix rhachycoryphus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264610 Silvitettix thalassinus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264611 Rhammatocerus excelsus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264612 Cordillacris affinis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264613 Brachycrotaphus buttneri
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264614 Pseudogmothela stauronotus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264615 Trauliini
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264616 Coryphistini
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264643 Acrida hungarica
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264617 Chondracis rosea
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264618 Alectrolophus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264619 Schistocerca emarginata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264620 Stolziini
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264621 Bryophyma punctata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264622 Anacridium melanorhoden
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264623 Phaulacridium otagense
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264624 Carydana catinata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264625 Carydana caudelli
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264626 Carydana chirura
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264627 Carydana cultricerca
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264628 Carydana durangensis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264629 Carydana falcata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264630 Carydana gladiador
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264631 Carydana oreoeca
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264632 Carydana pollicifera
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264633 Carydana serrifera
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264634 Carydana tauriformis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264635 Carydana tridactyla
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264636 Carydana emarginata
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264637 Carydana mexicana
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264638 Carydana pulchra
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264639 Carydana poecila
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264640 Eupropacris coeruleus
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264641 Arminda canariensis
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/264642 Cardeniopsis nigropunctatus

Posted by loarie almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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Any preferred protocol / approach if one of these is in BugGuide ? For example, Melanoplus frigidus is documented by BugGuide.

Which one of the sources takes precedence ?

If it is BugGuide, do you want us to simply delete the flag ?

Posted by cmcheatle almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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if we can fix the noncontroversial ones, it would be good to have broader discussions about the controversial ones and if OSF is 'behind' bring them to the attention of OSF

Posted by loarie almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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@brandonwoo here's the list

Posted by maxkirsch almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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yes curious to hear your thoughts here @brandonwoo specifically on bugguide / OSF discrepancies

Posted by loarie almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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I noticed this issue with the phasmid species file--sometimes an old synonym will be listed somewhere on the website, but not included formally in their database as an invalid or unaccepted synonym. But you can find them by searching Google on their website, e.g.

site:orthoptera.speciesfile.org Melanoplus militaris

Edit to add: (IMO:) I don't think we should be following BugGuide for taxa that have better-curated taxonomies elsewhere.

Posted by bouteloua almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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I would have said the same thing as @bouteloua - OSF as well as the other 'species file' websites sometimes have synonyms listed as full species, or other somewhat confusing things like that. It usually follows whatever the most recent taxonomic papers are which can lead to some mix ups. Some changes I don't necessarily agree with - for instance Orocharis as a subgenus of Hapithus (IMO these are clearly different genera) - but this is mostly a matter of opinion.

The BugGuide Orthoptera taxonomy primarily follows OSF, but since it has mostly been curated by David Ferguson in the past, he has left certain taxonomies as they were (e.g. Nebulatettix within Encoptolophus), or changed other things (Chortophaga australior = C. viridifasciata australior) based on what he believes to be correct. He has also erected quite a few 'no taxon' pages for things that are unidentifiable (like nymphs of Scudderia) or for species complexes (like the Melanoplus viridipes species group). Sometimes he has made new pages like the 'Trimerotropis pallidipennis-b' for a species that has not been described yet (thus isn't on OSF). I generally agree with him on most points, particularly with the melanoplinae and oedipodinae, since he has had a lot of field experience with those groups.

As one example, take a look under 'explanation of names' for Xanthippus sierra at bugguide: https://bugguide.net/node/view/587188

In a quick glance at the list of names above I see a few that are obviously just misspellings, and a few that David Ferguson at Bugguide treats differently than OSF. I also see a few that OSF treats one way, but I would treat a different way.

This is all to say that there's no easy fix and that taxonomy is always evolving :)

Posted by brandonwoo almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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Kind of related, kind of not, but might be of interest. If you listen at all to podcasts, the Guardian Science Weekly episode this week covered the question of issues in taxonomic naming :

https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2018/aug/03/tricky-taxonomy-the-problems-with-naming-new-species-science-weekly-podcast

Posted by cmcheatle almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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Well for Xanthippus sierra I can quote from David Ferguson's comments at BugGuide: "This species has been lumped into the concept of Cratypedes lateritius [on OSF], but differs in the environment which it favors, is colored differently, and occurs as adult after spring". So they are kept distinct from C. lateritius on BugGuide - not sure if we should do the same here.

For Trimerotropis species-a I again quote from Bugguide: "This species is not unknown. In fact it is well documented in the literature; however, always under incorrect names. It has not received a name of it's own probably because of confusion with two other species"

Same general thing for Trimerotropis pallidipennis-b - these are things that are recognized as distinct, but nobody has given them an official name yet. I think we should continue to keep those 2 separate.

Posted by brandonwoo almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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Anything I can do to help resolve these remaining flags or any other taxonomic issues left affecting Caelifera?

Posted by bobby23 almost 2 years ago (Flag)
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As per the rest of the flags that are not in OSF, here's the species, the source and reason.

Xanthippus sierra -- BugGuide; deviation from OSF
Circotetix splendidus -- BugGuide; deviation from OSF
Trimerotropis species-a -- BugGuide; undescribed species
Trimerotropis pallidipennis-b -- BugGuide; undescribed species
Ornebius kermadecensis -- none (temporary name?); undescribed species
Hemiandrus st1 -- none (fake name?); undescribed species
Malgasia afenina -- NCBI; nomen dubium
Malgasia kelikely -- NCBI; nomen dubium
Malgasia mahafaly -- NCBI; nomen dubium
Malgasia merina -- NCBI; nomen dubium
Malgasia sihanaka -- NCBI; nomen dubium
Hemiandrus superbus -- misspelling; see taxon swap https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/86731
Ectatoderus mexicanus -- none; might be Ornebius mexicanus from adjacent genus but no paper to support it.
Ectatoderus distinctus -- none

If you want my opinion on the flags, all BugGuide deviations should remain due to the reputation of David Ferguson in which it sounds many iNat Orthopterans agree. Other than that, undescribed species should not be added. Doubtful names (Malgasia) should all be inactivated. The last two, I'm undecided. Thoughts?

Posted by birdwhisperer 4 months ago (Flag)

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