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eraskin common elderberry (Subspecies Sambucus nigra canadensis)

the taxonomy of this groupd could use some cleanup.

Jun. 3, 2016 13:38:58 +0000 bouteloua

committed taxon change

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Could use some clarification of S. nigra, S. nigra ssp. canadensis, & S. canadensis. GoBotany has S. canadensis as a synonym of S. nigra; The Plant List has S. nigra var. canadensis as a synonym of S. canadensis; not in FNA yet; PLANTS has S. canadensis & several others as synonyms of S. nigra ssp. canadensis.

Weakley has S. nigra ssp. canadensis & several others as synonyms of S. canadensis, with this note:
"Bolli (1994) treats this taxon as a
subspecies of a very broadly defined S. nigra. He recognizes 6 subspecies: ssp. nigra in Europe, ssp. palmensis (Link) R. Bolli
in the Canary Islands, ssp. maderensis (Lowe) R. Bolli in Madeira Island, ssp. canadensis in eastern North America, Mexico,
Central America, and the West Indies, ssp. cerulea (Rafinesque) R. Bolli of western North America, and ssp. peruviana (Kunth)
R. Bolli of South America. I prefer to retain these taxa at the species level, particularly as Bolli states "the geographical races, in
the following defined as subspecies, turned out to be the biological units in Sambucus." Bolli further discusses 3 races within
what is here called S. canadensis (his S. nigra ssp. canadensis), one from eastern North America, another from montane Mexico
and Central America, and a third from subtropical se. North America and the West Indies; he considers these geographic races to represent "morphological and perhaps genetical" differences, and that "at present, all races are probably interconnected." This
variation may be worthy of taxonomic recognition at the varietal level, and these "races" have formerly been considered to be
species or varieties. If given varietal recognition, plants of most of our area represent S. canadensis var. canadensis, while
evergreen (or tardily deciduous), bipinnate plants of FL, s. GA, s. AL, s. MS, s. LA, se. TX, and the West Indies represent S.
canadensis var. laciniata A. Gray. The variation is clinal, and bipinnate leaves are seen as far north as coastal NC."

Posted by eraskin almost 8 years ago

@cwarneke says "S. nigra subsp. canadensis should be treated at the species level as S. canadensis Per Weakley's SE Flora, Flora of MI, Weber/Wittmann Flora of CO, and other current treatments. As eraskin noted, the S. nigra group needs a cleanup."

Posted by bouteloua over 6 years ago

3/31/2018 Update:
iNaturalist authorities:
Calls it S. canadensis:


VASCAN
Weakley 2015


Calls it S. nigra subsp. canadensis:


GoBotany


Listed as present in California by USDA PLANTS, but taxon not recognized in Calflora (only S. nigra subsp. caerulea listed).

Tiebreaker:


The Plant List, which calls it S. canadensis


Not iNat authorities, but the following also call it S. canadensis:
Plants of the World Online
Michigan Flora
Flora of Missouri
Flora of the Chicago Region
Weber/Wittmann Flora of Colorado, per @cwarneke above as I do not have a copy


https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/31482
final thoughts?


Posted by bouteloua about 6 years ago

@bouteloua That sounds fine to me!

Posted by cwarneke about 6 years ago

Sounds good, thank you for doing all that background.

Posted by eraskin about 6 years ago

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