Flag for Taxon: milkvetches (Genus Astragalus)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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| murphyslab | milkvetches (Genus Astragalus) |
it's missing "adsurgens" & other species. cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Astragalus_species |
Jul. 10, 2020 02:14:50 +0000 | t_e_d |
Already done. |
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Thanks for replying so quickly, @mftasp.
First a word of caution on my part: I'm very new to iNaturalist & I'm still figuring out how stuff works here. So please accept my advance apologies if I'm going about this wrong or doing. I'm just a novice guy who's been curious about plants & other species since I was a kid and continued to look up & ID since then... and now I'm quite excited having discovered iNaturalist 3 days ago. Found my way to the form via this answer in the Forum.
we do not use Wikipedia as a taxonomic resource.
I'd like to offer clarification on my initial message (or post?), since it seems to have been misinterpreted in this regard. The user interface seemed to be designed to receive only an extremely brief input so I wasn't sure what to input. So I merely intended that as a starting point, rather than as a highly reputable taxonomic resource. I'll take note of that for next time.
I'm just a bit surprised given that I've come across recent mentions of "Astragalus adsurgens" on several publications by Canadian institutions & our government, e.g.
List of Astragalus species in the CBIF: https://www.cbif.gc.ca/acp/eng/itis/view?tsn=25392
Entry for Astragalus adsurgens in the CBIF: https://www.cbif.gc.ca/acp/eng/itis/view?tsn=25400
2015 government scientist's presentation
2003 government report
The Manitoba Museum
Integrated Taxonomic Information System: Taxonomic Serial No.: 25400 lists the taxonomic status as "valid".
Our external taxonomy is Plants of the World Online (POWO)
That's helpful to know. My old fall-back was a small shelf of books on native BC plants & animals, which probably has a few other dated names. Helps to have a solid online reference.
... continued ...
Which of the three do you wish to upload observations for?
It was actually because I was trying to identify an Astragalus species for someone else. I'd seen the species before several times while in Alberta, though I don't have photos of my own to upload yet. But I do recognized it as the Astragalus that's native to the Canadian prairies and was trying to find the scientific name so as to ensure that I have the right one.
My sticking point, or point of confusion is that, from what I understand, the species is native to Canada. From what I'd read "laxmanni" is native to Asia & the distribution for Astragalus laxmanni Jacq. on POTW (& elsewhere) indicated that it is a species native to Asia: "This species is accepted, and its native range is Siberia to China and N. & Central Japan."
But now I've taken a bit of time to read to understand better for myself. One journal article had a helpful note:
Note: The scientific name of Astragalus adsurgens Pall. has long been applied to East Asian plants, including specimens found in Korea (Lee, 1980; Lee W., 1996; Lee Y., 1996, Im, 1998; Lee, 2003; Lee, 2006; Choi, 2007). However, recent taxonomic treatments have merged this taxon with A. laxmannii Jacq. (Podlech, 1993). This treatment is now broadly accepted for plants from both the Old World (Xu and Podlech, 2010; Podlech and Zarre, 2013) and the New World, i.e., North America (Barneby and Welsh, 1996). Furthermore, A. laxmannii (= A. adsurgens) is now divided into three subspecies (Podlech and Zarre, 2013). The A. laxmannii subsp. laxmannii is restricted to Old World; the others, to New World. Based on such a species boundary, specimens from North Korea are similar in their gross morphology to other East Asian A. laxmannii subsp. laxmannii.
Korean J. Pl. Taxon 2015; 45(3): 227-238.
Going from the Astragalus laxmanni taxa page, it appears that the three refrenced of these are already listed here:
Astragalus adsurgens var. laxmanni
Astragalus adsurgens var. robustior
Astragalus adsurgens var. tananaicus
These two appear to use the old "adsurgens" name (cf. Barneby and Welsh, 1996):
Astragalus adsurgens var. robustior
Astragalus adsurgens var. tananaicus
Guessing that's some kind of data input error from others with similar experiences to my own. It's nice to not be the only person confused by taxonomic changes or variances. :)
So what I'm looking for is probably here already under Astragalus laxmannii robustior which has a POTW entry, although the POTW distribution map looks a bit strange without inclusion of the Canadian prairie provinces.
Can you please say also which other species are mising that you would like added?
The only other one that I'd immediately suggest adding here is "Astragalus laxmannii subsp. viciifolius (S.L.Welsh) Podlech" for Alaska & Yukon territory, which has a POTW entry., although maybe that's the same as Astragalus laxmannii var. tananaicus. Not really sure how that fits in, but POTW has it listed, but not Astragalus adsurgens var. tananaicus.
I hope that explains where I'm coming form and the bit of confusion I had.
Yes, A. laxmannii var. tananaicus is synonymous with A. laxmanii subsp. viciifolius. Although the latter is used in POWO, the forthcoming Flora of North America Astragalus treatment uses the former. I suspect that POWO will update their nomenclature once the FNA volume is published. Since the taxon has no observations, I recommend not following POWO.
@murphyslab : can this flag be closed now ? Or do you still need a species to be added ?
Yes, it was resolved. Thank you for asking @t_e_d
You are welcome !
Hy @murphyslab, we do not use Wikipedia as a taxonomic resource. Our external taxonomy is Plants of the World Online (POWO), and it lists Astragalus adsurgens Pall. as a junior synonym of A. laxmannii Jacq. There are two other Astragalus adsurgens: A. adsurgens Willd. ex Steud. which is a synonym of A. varius S.G.Gmel. and A. adsurgens Torr. which is a synonym of Astragalus lentiginosus var. iodanthus (S.Watson) J.A.Alexander. You can see the nomenclature here: http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/?q=Astragalus+adsurgens
Which of the three do you wish to upload observations for? I assume Astragalus adsurgens Pall. since this is the one in Wikipedia. If it's this one, then it's already available as A. laxmannii in https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/494579-Astragalus-laxmannii
Can you please say also which other species are mising that you would like added?