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American Water Frogs (Genus Lithobates) sandboa Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:35:22 PM UTC

Should we put this back in Rana based on the Yuan et al (2016) paper. A lot of authorities are starting to make that change.

loarie

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This paper shows that recognizing the NA frogs as Lithobates is paraphyletic and that they should all go back to the genus Rana. ASW has not accepted this change, but most recent publications use Rana.
https://academic.oup.com/sysbio/article/65/5/824/2224218
@caudisona

Posted by sandboa about 2 years ago (Flag)

Agreed. We should be using Rana.
@gregpauly

Posted by caudisona about 2 years ago (Flag)

can you guys discuss with @dfrost at ASW? Making this change would be very disruptive. IMO might b worth it if we're still in sync with ASW but not if it requires a deviation

Posted by loarie about 2 years ago (Flag)

any updates on this?

Posted by loarie over 1 year ago (Flag)

I made a similar post, not realizing that this earlier one was posted regarding Rana and Lithobates. (Sorry).

https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/rana-vs-lithobates/25864/2

I agree, it makes more sense to switch back to Rana.

I note that in every year, more publications are using Rana rather then Lithobates for North American frogs. The use of Lithobates is currently in the minority, and there really isn't much justification for not using Rana.

Posted by pauritus over 1 year ago (Flag)

I agree with @loarie. If iNat is following ASW then use that taxonomy. I consider this ranid taxonomy to be in flux and await further research to clarify it. There's a little too much back-and-forth with genera these days and it warrants being conservative when proposing changes. If it does go back to Rana I'd be fine with that but would like to see the contradicting studies and viewpoints be fully assessed first.

Posted by jnstuart over 1 year ago (Flag)

OK - I'm in favor of not changing until Rana sensu lato is widely accepted and we can be confident this isn't going to go back and forth and I think getting such a change into ASW would be a precondition for that since ASW is used by groups such as IUCN and Natureserve. I recommend closing this for now and reopening if/when ASW decides to go Rana sensu lato

Posted by loarie over 1 year ago (Flag)

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