Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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bouteloua | Genus Anthothoe |
taxonomic issue |
Mar. 8, 2021 16:11:06 +0000 | Not Resolved |
I don't see any previous taxon changes on iNaturalist for A. simpsonii or A. chilensis. Anthothoe stimpsonii has been accepted on iNaturalist since March 2018. Is a taxon change actually needed, or is identification sufficient? Sounds late to do a split if both have already been accepted here for 3 years.
yeah, this is more of a reinterpretation of the taxa. if there were a way to split an existing taxon into another existing taxon via biogeography, that would be the ideal solution. nobody wants to go through 200+ observations and tediously add new IDs... then check to see which ones need more IDs... then tag enough people to switch the ID. it's especially tedious with some of these South African observations that migrated over from ispotnature... those can have numerous IDs from non-active users that have to be outvoted.
@joe_fish I note that on many A. simpsonii observations you have withdrawn your ID, and suggested we just ID to genus, is that how best to proceed?
@pbsouthwood, @seastung, @phelsumas4life, @tonyrebelo as the main identifiers of these South African observations, do you want to help changing IDs when we come to a decision on which way to go?
@tonyrebelo so you're suggesting we just do a taxonomic split of South African A. chilensis to A. simpsonii ? (or could/should we move them to genus instead?)
Why would you move them to genus?
A chilensis in Africa is A. simpsonii - there is no ambiguity. Moving them to genus is silly, as they will then have to be identified again as A. simpsonii. You may as well do it all manually! I dont understand why this is even being contemplated!
A chilensis (senso lato) in South America should be moved to A. chilensis (a different taxon - senso stricto).
It is a simple split.
Here is how to do it!!
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/89926
My only issue is that 22 observations fall outside of the country limit for South Africa, and I dont know how to add the South Atlantic (or southern Africa) to catch them.
I dont know how many observations of the nominate taxon are offshore in South America.
@loarie - why do Atlasses not cater for marine species?
So the South African observations have gotten bumped to genus-level. These need to be reidentified as A. stimpsonii.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/identify?taxon_id=379605&place_id=6986&lrank=genus
This taxonomic split (https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_splits/89926) did not happen correctly. I am hoping that it can be fixed. Instead of moving from Anthothoe chilensis to Anthothoe stimpsonii it got moved to the genus - apparently due to a bug. Waiting from clarification from the programmers ....
I commented on the split https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/89926
@joe_fish says: