Flag for Taxon: Northwestern Crow (Corvus caurinus)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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| torgos216 | Northwestern Crow (Corvus caurinus) |
isn't this taxon supposed to be removed? are we keeping it? will it become a subspecies of american crow? |
Mar. 19, 2021 14:40:32 +0000 | cmcheatle |
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ok, thanks for the information!
@loarie @maxkirsch the next set of Clements updates will be on us next week, so this lump will soon be official. Scott - what are the plans for implementing the changes - 71 splits, 8 lumps and 17 new species? Biggest change likely to be Mew Gull (10,000 obs). Do you need volunteers to draft taxon changes, create atlases and range maps etc?
thanks for bringing this update to my attention, rjq. Once the update is out give me a few days to analyze it then it would be great to coordinate with you @maxkirsch and other curators to put the changes in place. Very much appreciate the help
I'm just finishing up a summer fieldwork job in the next day or two, so I should have plenty of time by mid-late this week to help with the necessary changes (and also finally go through and deal with all those observed hybrid requests I never got around to activating, but that can wait until afterwards, especially since some could potentially involve species affected by the Clements update).
(In the case of northwestern crow, it'll almost certainly remain a distinct taxon, just ranked as a subspecies of American crow rather than its own species.)
Here's a list of all the changes: https://ebird.org/science/use-ebird-data/2021-ebird-taxonomy-update
Interesting - lets hold off until they make the downloadable checklist available here https://www.birds.cornell.edu/clementschecklist/download/ and I have a chance to analyze it. Any ideas when that will be?
It will probably happen when eBird is done with its taxonomy update. A few more days probably before that's done.
great thanks I'll try to get to analyzing this ASAP
i'm on it - i'll see about posting a spreadsheet somewhere by the end of the weekend if not tomorrow whittled down to all the necessary changes (and categorized by change - 1-to-1 swaps (separated into ones that need to be done manually due to species- or subspecies-name changes vs ones that can be autoswapped by a swap of the overarching species or genus), splits (with all new outputs vs one of the outputs being the original species), lumps, all the subspecies that need to be lumped and what they're being lumped with, all the new species and subspecies additions, the genera that need to be split due to the majority or a significant part of their constituent species being scattered among different genera, and so on and so forth)
great - lets not make/commit any swaps until we have a chance to compare analyses
I didn't realize this discussion existed but I posted in the forum in regards to this subject. Will you guys be needing any help as you progress through this? From my understanding, any curator can create the taxon swaps, splits, etc, but it would have to be you guys to commit it. But if it speeds up the updating process...
Same situation on this flag: https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/542967
please don't draft any splits/changes until we have a chance to review
I got a chance to analyze this. I've laid out steps to proceed here https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/2021-clements-update-and-continual-concerns/25875/6?u=loarie any help with the step 1 task described there hugely appreciated. As I mentioned in the postplease hold off on flagging taxa, discussing deviations, or making draft taxon changes for now (or making any actual changes such as editing taxa or committing taxon changes if your a taxon curator) - thanks!
It is possible to compare the different taxonomies with the Avibase site. We can therefore compare Clements with eBird.
@rolosama What do you mean? eBird and Clements are the same!
No, I only indicated a website where it is possible to compare these two taxonomic lists. You can see the differences between the two.
@rolosama When attempting to compare the two, I got this error message:
"You must select 2 different checklists"
eBird follows Clements exactly. There are no differences.
I'm not an expert on taxonomic changes, but just checked and it looks like the eBird and Clements listings are pretty much the same. There are of course differences in the common names used in different languages. I agree whit you...
iNaturalist follows the Clements checklist for birds for its taxonomy. While Clements plans to make the change, at least as I understand it, they have not yet done so. Their most recent update to their checklist has been delayed.
When Clements makes the move, iNat will follow.