Flag for Taxon: Viviparous Lizard (Zootoca vivipara)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| desversen | Viviparous Lizard (Zootoca vivipara) |
Z.v.carniolica is a different species |
May. 11, 2022 10:01:40 +0000 | loarie |
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please contact Reptile Database https://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Zootoca&species=vivipara&search_param=%28%28search%3D%27Zootoca+vivipara%27%29%29 (FYI @uetz) and see if they'll get this in their next update, if not please reopen/report back here
Thank you for you answer.
I have been emailng with them the last week, I think they will change the status very soon!
RD has now elevated this
we're deviating until we can create the split https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/35453/taxonomy_details
@danieleseglie do you have a sense for where to draw the boundary between these species?
if you mean geographic boundary there are some known Z.carniolica population for sure. Some other to be discovered. In general Z.carniolica tend to stay at lower altitudes.
we need to make a split based on geography otherwise we have to roll all IDs of Zootoca vivipara back to Zootoca which would be disruptive. The best would be to upload a visual explaining where to draw the dividing line as I've done here
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/507004
if it helps, at least in the italian population of carniolica, all the individuals are marked as Z.v.carniolica right now .
For further details wait for @danieleseglie , I think he could give you all the exact areas where carniolica lives, as the 2 species does not overlap as far I know
Hi @loarie , @desversen ,
I send you two maps by email useful to draw the boundary between the two species.
Hope these can help,
Best,
D.
@danieleseglie send it also to me if you didnt do it already, im curious!
the biology of the two taxa are too different to be subspecies.
Z.vivipara give birth.
Z.carniolica lay eggs.
They are also very different at nuclear genetic level.
If you give me an email I will add some research