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slowplants loarie Argyle apple (Eucalyptus cinerea)

Wrong common name

Jan. 20, 2023 14:28:58 +0000 maxkirsch

names reprioritized

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@slowplants Hi there! Could you please provide some sources for the flag? I'd love to help.

Posted by kenzieb87 about 1 year ago

silver dollar gum does have a few uses for E. cinerea online, but silver dollar tree seems to be more typical, and silver dollar gum also gets used for E. polyanthemos, so not preferable due to the confusion created by that

having noted the above, by far the most widely used common name for cinerea is 'argyle apple'; that's the name that should set at top priority here

Posted by thebeachcomber about 1 year ago

slightly bizarre is the fact that both names can be seen here....

the object being flagged is listed as silver dollar gum, but above that the text says argyle apple...

Posted by thebeachcomber about 1 year ago

@thebeachcomber Looks like it's something to do with how name preferences are applied across the site. I'm seeing silver dollar gum for both (and don't have my location set to somewhere with a different default common name)—or rather "Silver dollar gum (Eucalyptus cinerea)" under Object in the flag details, and "Eucalyptus cinerea (Silver Dollar Gum)" in the "Flag for Taxon" header, which suggests that the header seems to display the name as it displays for us across most of the website (using a regional common name if applicable [hence Argyle apple if your common names are set to Australia], and using one's preferred common/scientific name order [I have mine set to scientific name first], plus auto-capitalization of the common name), while the name displayed under Object seems to simply be the default common name for one's set language*, formatted as entered (sentence case in this particular case) without auto-capitalization, and unaffected by one's name display settings.

*(The current top few common names are as follows:
0 Eucalipto dólar (Spanish)
1 Argyle apple (English)
2 Silver dollar gum (English)
3 Eucalipto plateado (Spanish)
4 Argyll Apple (English) <- default for UK
5 Argyle apple (Australian) <- default for Australia
The reason 2 shows up as the worldwide English default rather than 1, despite 1's higher rank, is that 1 was marked (apparently simultaneously with its addition back in 2013) as an unaccepted name for whatever reason; the duplicate Argyle apple in a non-standard "Australian" lexicon, currently set as the default name for Australia, was added by an iNat user who isn't a curator and thus couldn't edit the preexisting Argyle apple in English)

Posted by maxkirsch about 1 year ago

(another page that displays the default-for-one's-site-language name [unaffected by the name display settings, and without the site's common name auto-capitalization], in this case everywhere on the page where a taxon name can appear, is the page listing all the flags for a taxon—note "Silver dollar gum (Eucalyptus cinerea)" in "« Back to [name]", "Flags for [name]", under Content, and in the page title here https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/162748/flags)

(edit: apologies for going off on a bit of a tangent from the original flag—for further discussion of the display issue, see the bug report here https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/two-different-common-names-appear-for-same-species-on-same-page/38775)

Posted by maxkirsch about 1 year ago

I matched the name priority by going into the name "silver dollar gum" and clicking "Save." Doing so without editing anything will re-align the names.

Posted by rynxs about 1 year ago

I still see both names :(

Posted by thebeachcomber about 1 year ago

I think that's just what it does when there are regional names. Since this taxon has a regional name for the UK, too, it displays this way for the flag in the UK: https://uk.inaturalist.org/flags/604034

What I did should have fixed the web browser tab name/taxon name mismatch that happens a lot, which also happens to fix the name mismatch for this flag in inaturalist.org (U.S. iNat). I'm pretty sure the top name will always be the regional name and the bottom name will be the global priority name. There aren't many Australian names, so you may not be accustomed to seeing it? Here's another UK example, since I can't find another taxon with an Australian name: https://inaturalist.ala.org.au/flags/603293

Posted by rynxs about 1 year ago

What about Silver Dollar Gum Tree?

Posted by bdagley 12 months ago

Yes, I meant that I've seen Silver Dollar Gum and Silver Dollar Tree, so the names could be combined as Silver Dollar Gum Tree.

Posted by bdagley 12 months ago

(Side note - since the "Australian" lexicon was recently deleted, and with it the name Argyle apple that formerly had priority in Australia [due to another Argyle apple already existing in the English lexicon], I changed the preexisting Argyle apple [formerly marked unaccepted] to accepted and gave it priority in Australia. I also switched the global priority of that and silver dollar gum, to keep name priorities as they were before the lexicon deletion for now. This isn't a decision on my part that the current name silver dollar gum should keep its global English priority [going by previous comments it probably shouldn't, but since I personally don't know much about this particular case, I'll leave the decision among Argyle apple, silver dollar tree, or another name as global English default to someone else], just an update to bring displayed names back to what they were before the lexicon cleanup for the time being, in case anyone with common name preferences set to Australia was wondering why the name of this species was different for the last couple weeks)

Posted by maxkirsch 12 months ago

Somehow I got a notification for this today, maybe one of those flag notificition "bugs." Anyway, as for me, the staff removed my curator status on false charges, so I can no longer at least currently prioritize common names, etc. So, you get to choose.

Posted by bdagley 10 months ago

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