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Cone Peak Road, Los Padres National Forest, Monterey County, CA, USA (Google, OSM)
36.016841, -121.46465
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Seems like it's something in the viridipes group.

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Habronattus - Photo Kaldari, no known copyright restrictions (public domain)
kueda's ID: Genus Habronattus, a member of Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
Posted by kueda almost 3 years ago (Flag)
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It seems more like a Pellenes to me, but only because I can't figure out which Habronattus it would be. If it's a female, it's too pretty for a Habronattus. If it's a male in the viridipes group in CA, it should have modified 3rd legs.

Posted by screws over 2 years ago (Flag)
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Phlegra hentzi - Photo (c) Natural History Services, some rights reserved (CC BY)
screws's ID: Phlegra hentzi, a member of Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
Posted by screws over 2 years ago (Flag)
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You know how I know it's Phlegra hentzi? Because I found it (your exact images) ID'd on BugGuide!

Posted by screws over 2 years ago (Flag)
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Yeah, well this is an important design difference between iNat and BugGuide: *I* don't know this is Phlegra hentzi, b/c none of you spider experts have told me why I should believe you! Habronattus remains *my* best guess until someone can explain why I'm wrong.

Posted by kueda over 2 years ago (Flag)
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The AMEs are too small for Habronattus. If it was a female, it would be drab. If it was a male, it would have modified 3rd legs...like I said above. Often, the way to tell with a group as diverse is spiders is in the genitalia. You look at that, confirm, then look at colors and distribution and associate them all together. I know it isn't a Habronattus mostly because I've seen a lot of Habronattus from that area, and it doesn't look like any of the ones I've seen. All of the CA species are on the CA Habronattus page, and this thing isn't there. While it's great to think everyone can ID anything from a dorsal photo, and in this case with such striking markings that may be true, experts are still important for when you can't. Sometimes you won't be able to see the characters that are used for initial differentiation. For instance, in a key, to differentiate this from Pellenes/Habronattus, it has to do with the patella-tibia III being as long, longer or shorter than patella-tibia IV.

Posted by screws over 2 years ago (Flag)
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Phlegra hentzi - Photo (c) Natural History Services, some rights reserved (CC BY)
kaldari's ID: Phlegra hentzi, a member of Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
Posted by kaldari about 2 years ago (Flag)
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Jumping Spiders - Photo (c) Thomas Shahan, some rights reserved (CC BY-NC-ND)
kueda's ID: Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)

Ok, you've convinced me it's *not* Habronattus. Still not sure why it *is* Phlegra based on these photos, and am too tired to do a full BG comparison. Maybe tomorrow.

Posted by kueda about 2 years ago (Flag)
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Posted by kaldari about 2 years ago (Flag)
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Phlegra hentzi - Photo (c) Natural History Services, some rights reserved (CC BY)
b_coulter's ID: Phlegra hentzi, a member of Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
Posted by b_coulter 10 days ago (Flag)
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Jumping Spiders - Photo (c) Thomas Shahan, some rights reserved (CC BY-NC-ND)
kueda's ID: Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
Phlegra hentzi - Photo (c) Natural History Services, some rights reserved (CC BY)
Community ID: Phlegra hentzi, a member of Jumping Spiders (Family Salticidae)
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