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kueda aspidoscelis Southern Mountains Paintbrush (Castilleja nelsonii)

it might be a synonym of C. aspera

Jul. 3, 2019 02:56:50 +0000 loarie

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POWO treats it as such (http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:801069-1), but "C. nelsonii" seems to be in active use by botanists in Arizona, where the plant might actually be C. austromontana, which POWO does support: http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:49412-2. @markegger, is this an area where we should be diverging from Plants of the World Online, i.e. is their taxonomy out of date? You seem to have ID'd similar-looking plants in AZ as both C. nelsonii and C. austomontana, so I'm not sure which name we should be using. We could also try and address by suggesting they update their treatments of Castilleja. @stevejones and @sganley, I'm guessing you might also have opinions on this.

FWIW, here's the original description of C. austromontana: https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32091968

Posted by kueda almost 5 years ago

That's curious. I suspect that POWO is out of date given its acceptance of C. austromontana Standl. & Blumer. C. nelsonii Eastwood has priority by a couple of years (here). I can't speak to C. aspera; POWO lists it as from northern Mexico only, and it's not listed in the index of the just-released FNA vol. 17 (FNA excludes Mexico). @markegger is an author of the section on Castilleja in that volume and I'm sure can address this in more detail.

Posted by stevejones almost 5 years ago

I was calling them C. austromontana and I think I read from Mark Egger that C. nelsonii was the correct name so I switched to that. I am sure he can clear this up and I go with what he says.

Posted by sganley almost 5 years ago

To clear things up, after my studies of Mexican Castilleja species over two decades, it became clear that the se AZ and sw NM species, long known as C. austromontana in local floras, was actually synonymous with the earlier described but little known entity, C. nelsonii, described by Eastwood in her monograph on the paintbrushes of Mexico in 1909. The type of C. nelsonii is from Cerro Mohinora in far sw Chihuahua. The situation with C. aspera is a little more complicated. In the same paper where she described C. nelsonii, she also described C. nervata and C. aspera. C. nervata is a "good" species, but C. aspera is problematic. The type collection consists of three sheets. Of the multiple stems present, all but one are clearly referable to C. nervata, while the final one is a specimen of nelsonii/austromontana. The designated holotype sheet at GH contains a stem of C. nervata and the single stem of C. nelsonii, so lectotypification is required. None of the C. aspera collections were from the US, so dealing with it in the FNA was not appropriate. I hope to publish a synopsis of Mexican Castillejas in coming years, where I will first lectotypify C. aspera and then place it into synonymy under one of the two accepted species. In the FNA treatment, which will hopefully be indexed into POWO soon, C. nelsonii is the accepted name, with the later C. austromontana listed as a synonym thereof. C. aspera, as I mentioned, is not addressed in the FNA, but I would strongly advise not accepting it on iNat, due to the major problems in both its typification and because it will eventually become a published synonym. Hope this all makes sense!

Posted by markegger over 4 years ago
Posted by loarie about 4 years ago

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