Flag for Taxon: Humbug Dascyllus (Dascyllus aruanus)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| bouteloua | Humbug Dascyllus (Dascyllus aruanus) |
taxon split drafted |
Oct. 7, 2019 15:03:33 +0000 | maractwin |
split |
Comments
Question: does the "atlasing" effect future observations? For example, if someone observed the Indian Ocean taxon at Bali, will it automatically be changed incorrectly to the Pacific taxon?
copied response from taxon change: let's keep the conversation here.
no, it doesn't affect future observations
There's no way to automatically determine whether the new ID is meant to be the old, sensu lato taxon or whether that new sensu stricto taxon has actually expanded its range
did this not get implemented? @bouteloua @loarie
Dascyllus abudafur 914304 and Dascyllus aruanus 952775 still need atlases. I can make them if someone lists the countries for each
abudafur is going to include anything in the Indian Ocean/Red Sea
aruanus will include the Pacific.
these overlap in Indonesia (Java, Bali) and Western Australia/Christmas Island.
hmm - not sure I have the skills to make those atlases based on that without country lists - maybe another curator can?
this seems like a pretty tedious solution, having to list things out by country to split taxa. there are obviously dozens involved for both of these oceans. @maractwin
Yeah, the mapping doesn't actually take that long, it's just click-add, click-add, click-add. Typing out the names of the country would take longer.
atlases created, but need to be populated with data:
https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/26075
https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/26076
I'd love to have atlases for many of the fish I work with, but having to do it by country rather than body of water makes it impractical. Not only does that often require listing many countries when a simple description like "tropical western Pacific" can succinctly describe the distribution, it ends up misleading as many countries border more than one body of water. An oceanic fish found in the U.S.--is that Pacific or Atlantic?
I agree that it would be great to make atlas places better. Would love to discuss more but should prob move that to the forum
looks like https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/63751 is still waiting for atlases
this is still unsplit?
yes it's still waiting for someone to create the atlases
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/63751
@loarie I created the atlases, but am nervous about committing this as I don't completely understand which things should be active/inactive before and after the commit. Is this ready to go now?
this looks good to me for a 'retroactive split'. Committing this will inactivate the input (Dascyllus aruanus sensu lato) and activate any inactive outputs (Dascyllus aruanus sensu stricto). The atlases look good and should sort out most of the IDs. If there are any that are attached to obs that don't fall within the atlas places (eg. far out to see) those will get assigned to Genus Dascyllus and can be ID'd manually. I say commit!
fyi @maractwin @joe_fish, see https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/63751
but the output taxa need to be atlased before it's committed; see figure 1 in Borsa, P., A. Sembiring, C. Fauvelot and W.-J. Chen, 2014. Resurrection of Indian Ocean humbug damselfish, Dascyllus abudafur (Forsskål) from synonymy with its Pacific Ocean sibling, Dascyllus aruanus (L.). Comptes Rendus Biologies, Elsevier Masson, 337(709-716).