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Humbug Dascyllus (Dascyllus aruanus) bouteloua Mon, 07 Oct 2019 15:03:33 +0000

taxon split drafted

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fyi @maractwin @joe_fish, see https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/63751
but the output taxa need to be atlased before it's committed; see figure 1 in Borsa, P., A. Sembiring, C. Fauvelot and W.-J. Chen, 2014. Resurrection of Indian Ocean humbug damselfish, Dascyllus abudafur (Forsskål) from synonymy with its Pacific Ocean sibling, Dascyllus aruanus (L.). Comptes Rendus Biologies, Elsevier Masson, 337(709-716).

Posted by bouteloua 5 months ago (Flag)
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Question: does the "atlasing" effect future observations? For example, if someone observed the Indian Ocean taxon at Bali, will it automatically be changed incorrectly to the Pacific taxon?

Posted by joe_fish 5 months ago (Flag)
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copied response from taxon change: let's keep the conversation here.

no, it doesn't affect future observations

There's no way to automatically determine whether the new ID is meant to be the old, sensu lato taxon or whether that new sensu stricto taxon has actually expanded its range

Posted by bouteloua 4 months ago (Flag)
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did this not get implemented? @bouteloua @loarie

Posted by joe_fish 15 days ago (Flag)
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Dascyllus abudafur 914304 and Dascyllus aruanus 952775 still need atlases. I can make them if someone lists the countries for each

Posted by loarie 14 days ago (Flag)
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abudafur is going to include anything in the Indian Ocean/Red Sea

aruanus will include the Pacific.

these overlap in Indonesia (Java, Bali) and Western Australia/Christmas Island.

Posted by joe_fish 14 days ago (Flag)
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hmm - not sure I have the skills to make those atlases based on that without country lists - maybe another curator can?

Posted by loarie 14 days ago (Flag)
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this seems like a pretty tedious solution, having to list things out by country to split taxa. there are obviously dozens involved for both of these oceans. @maractwin

Posted by joe_fish 14 days ago (Flag)
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Yeah, the mapping doesn't actually take that long, it's just click-add, click-add, click-add. Typing out the names of the country would take longer.

atlases created, but need to be populated with data:
https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/26075
https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/26076

Posted by bouteloua 14 days ago (Flag)
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I'd love to have atlases for many of the fish I work with, but having to do it by country rather than body of water makes it impractical. Not only does that often require listing many countries when a simple description like "tropical western Pacific" can succinctly describe the distribution, it ends up misleading as many countries border more than one body of water. An oceanic fish found in the U.S.--is that Pacific or Atlantic?

Posted by maractwin 14 days ago (Flag)
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I agree that it would be great to make atlas places better. Would love to discuss more but should prob move that to the forum

Posted by loarie 14 days ago (Flag)
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looks like https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/63751 is still waiting for atlases

Posted by loarie 8 days ago (Flag)

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