Flag for Taxon: Norfolk Island Pine (Araucaria heterophylla)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| je9h | Norfolk Island Pine (Araucaria heterophylla) |
Difficult to distinguish from A. columnaris when immature (e.g. as houseplants) |
Jan. 25, 2020 22:32:51 +0000 | loarie |
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Comments
This is in response to the request by iNat administration to make suggestions as to where computer vision clean-up may be required: https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/computer-vision-clean-up-wiki/7281/65 From it: "Rather than discuss things like tips for identification for each species here, it would probably be best to create a flag and use the flags’ comments sections." I believe I was following the instructions given in the posting to identify taxa in which computer vision was making overly confident suggestions. If not, or if you don't agree, please delete. In this case, the point is that computer vision overwhelmingly suggests A. heterophylla, whereas it is reportedly difficult to distinguish A. heterophylla from A. columnaris in immature specimens such as those sold as house plants; I have read both that A. columnaris is more common in cultivation, and also that in certain areas where cultivation outdoors is possible, one or the other tends to dominate, though they are virtually indistinguishable in immature form.
Got it, thanks
Sorry. I didn't state the reason for the flag very well and it doesn't appear to be possible to edit it. It should probably say, "Computer vision may be overconfidently suggesting A. heterophylla, which is difficult to distinguish from A. columnaris when immature (e.g. as houseplants)."
I agree with reuvenm that if you think particular observations are overconfidently IDing this to species (A. columnaris or A. heterophylla) when they should rather be IDing just to some coarser node (e.g. Araucaria) then this should probably be expressed with coarser IDs on those obs.
The one recourse we have agains this would be to make a new node of rank 'complex' above A. columnaris and A. heterophylla but my personal preference is to use complexes sparingly.
Please reopen if you're are requesting a 'complex'
Okay. Perhaps that instruction should be added to the "Computer vision clean-up - wiki" thread then (https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/computer-vision-clean-up-wiki/7281/65). Most of the suggestions already noted there are of the same nature, that is, large scale overconfident ID suggestions from computer vision.
@bouteloua and other admins, if the Araucaria heterophylla/columnaris suggestion is not in keeping with the intent of the wiki, or is simply incorrect, please feel free to delete the suggestion/flag (and any others that I added in response to the wiki request).
The flags, as referenced on the computer vision wiki topic on the forum, are intended to provide an area for discussion for improving common computer vision errors, not necessarily to advocate for the addition of a species complex taxon.
@je9h what action are you requesting? If you believe people are misidentifying this species, I suggest bringing it up on the observations in question.