Flag for Taxon: Tribe Adeliini
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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| borisb | kitty12 | Tribe Adeliini |
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Oct. 16, 2020 08:06:48 +0000 | bdagley |
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we've got this Tribe Adeliini duplicated as https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/796513-Adeliinae would going with Adeliinae rather than Adeliini on the hymenoptera side solve both problems?
Insofar we have the classification as different levels, I see no problem for us.
There will be no complications in automatic placement on this level, either.
Have united genus Adelius (duplicated) already, and will leave rest for pending decision of whom knows more on small wasps.
I'm unsure if I fully understand the suggestion, but currently the flagged tribe Adeliini has no observations, but has two subgenera that aren't in the subfamily Adeliinae, so should they be edited to have Adeliinae as parent taxon? Secondly, the original suggestion seemed to suggest some sources consider (wasp) Adeliini and Adeliinae somewhat interchangeably, or not concluding on which is best. Yet in other cases on iNat, there are existing homonyms such as Stelis (bees) and Stelis (orchards). I assume these homonyms despite that they aren't supposed to be used taxonomically occur first in taxonomic literature. So, my general approach or suggestion would be to (usually, maybe with some exceptions) use homonyms from literature/authoritative sources until such time the latter change them. Otherwise we aren't reflecting sources or it would be too confusing to determine genus placements etc.
@bdagley :
1st: Homonymy of plant taxa with animal taxa is allowed.
2nd: "some sources consider (wasp) Adeliini and Adeliinae somewhat interchangeably" is also correct. Zoological nomenclature knows three levels: species / genus / family group taxa, and within the last, Adeli- is preoccupied by the beetle taxon, whether in wasps combined -idae, -inae, or -ini does not matter. Rank adjustments are possible, and Adeliini and Adeliinae (wasps) is exactly the same family group taxon, just in two spellings because of rank.
There have also been cases of homonymy within two genera and species of bees. My point there is that this isn't supposed to be done in taxonomy, but if it is done in error we should just reflect the current taxonomy until they correct it.
I disagree that we should choose different ranks for a wasp taxon just because the current rank spelling would be the same as in a beetle taxon. Really the names themselves are the issue (which we don't usually and aren't really supposed to change) rather than the ranks. Excluding homonymy from consideration for a moment, it is true that in some groups the choice of using a subfamily vs. tribe (for what rank is most accurate, not based on spelling) is somewhat subjective or interchangeable, but not in all cases. Thinking over this, I disagree that the tribe should be changed because it is the current valid taxon and name. That change (if it is made) should be made formally via taxonomic revision first, before we make it.
I talked about matters only for the taxonomic question (unresolved), not any action within iNaturalist.
Four our site, the options would be:
A) merge 796513-Adeliinae (incl. two genera) and 1061285-Adeliini (again two genera) into one;
or
B) graft all genera under either 373391-Cheloninae (if this classification is accepted), or Braconidae, and treat 796513-Adeliinae 1061285-Adeliini as synonyms not only inter se (what they are!), but also of Cheloninae - or just deleting them after genera are moved.
I would prefer A), but dont want to make a choice whether tribe, or subfamily level is adequate.
I'd also prefer A, merging Adeliinae (incl. two genera) and Adeliini, to become Adeliini. I'll try this taxon swap now.
Fine!
Thanks.
I just had to add a genus to the beetle tribe, and homonymy may cause confusion to hasty curators. When rooting, two "Adeliini" show up, and to chose the right one needs check.
(can remain as it is, like told)
For Leptochilus, the name of a wasp genus and of a fern genus, the plant common name is set to Leptochilus ferns. It could also help if the thumbnails of duplicate genera names show the taxon as clearly as possible, so that when people type the genus name they can more easily distinguish between the two choices.
Adeliini Viereck, 1918 / Adeliinae [Hymenoptera] is homonym to Adeliini Kirby, 1828 [Coleoptera].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeliini_(wasp)
There seems no replacement name proposed yet . . .