Flagger Content Author Content Reason Flag Created Resolved by Resolution
thebeachcomber aboriginal willowherb (Epilobium cinereum)

incorrect taxon swap?

Jan. 10, 2021 03:04:35 +0000 thebeachcomber

fixed

Comments

Why was this taxon swap (https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes?taxon_id=401686) made?
E. billardiereanum cinereum was swapped over to E. cinereum apparently as per POWO, but POWO lists the synonymy the other way around (http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/?q=Epilobium%20cinereum). Can we revert this?

Posted by thebeachcomber over 3 years ago

I imagine it is too late to revert the swap. I think another swap would be needed.

Posted by jameskm over 3 years ago

Looks like only 7 idents existed before the swap:
https://www.inaturalist.org/identifications?current=any&taxon_id=412418

Posted by lwnrngr over 3 years ago

@rowan_hindmarsh_walls please inform yourself about the iNat taxonomy rules before committing taxon swaps like this. It is also polite to flag them for discussion before jumping the gun, in which case someone would have alerted you that you have the wrong taxonomy.

You should also inform yourself about Taxon Framework Relationships before committing plant taxon changes.

Posted by mftasp over 3 years ago

Change to undo the swap: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/87571

I have also added the taxon framework relationship. Not sure if it existed previously as for the other subspecies and was deleted or it was missing from the start.

Posted by mftasp over 3 years ago

cheers for that

Posted by thebeachcomber over 3 years ago

Hi @rowan_hindmarsh_walls (following on from discussion under taxon swap here: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_swaps/87571),

Speaking as a taxonomist, if nobody has the resources to carry out this particular taxonomic work, then it can't be much of a priority.

Meanwhile, I find it hard to justify a deviation from our taxonomy based on a publication which is not a taxonomic treatment, when pretty much all available taxonomic treatments agree with the concept we were using before your change.

In future, when there are a non-insignificant number of observations, please follow the usual practice of flagging a taxon you mean to swap, creating the appropriate taxon framework relationships, and adding a brief explanation or references so that other curators can see and understand your concept and its justification. I also usually tag the main observers and identifiers in the flag if there are lots of obs, so they don't get a rude surprise.

I arrived at a swap away from our designated taxonomy, with no taxon framework relationship, and which contradicted not just our external taxonomy, but pretty much all taxonomic resources I could consult. How would one ever not undo that sort of change?

Posted by mftasp over 3 years ago

Add a Comment

Sign In or Sign Up to add comments