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thomaseverest Genus Vespericola

Masculine or feminine?

Jan. 21, 2021 23:51:28 +0000 loarie

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Originally described as feminine (or at least treated that way with the species listed under it) but one later author seems to have decided/figured out it's actually masculine. Agricola, rupicola, etc. are all masculine so this should be too? MolluscaBase treats it as feminine.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Land_Mollusca_of_North_America_(north_of_Mexico)Vol._I_Part_2(2nd_half).pdf
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/42465744#page/150/mode/1up

Posted by thomaseverest over 3 years ago

Here's the first link.

Posted by thomaseverest over 3 years ago

I vote we go with Molluscabase
is this closeable?

Posted by loarie over 2 years ago

There are some duplicate species and ones that need to be moved. I emailed them and they didn't respond. I guess we can go with MB for the time being. But I'm not convinced that's correct.

Posted by thomaseverest over 2 years ago

OK, FWIW we now have a taxon framework linked to MollucaBase for all of the phyla
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/47115-Mollusca/taxonomy_details
But there's still 1818 relationship unknown taxa (that we should swap or make deviations for)
and 70 flags

Posted by loarie over 2 years ago

Yeah I noticed that new framework update. And I've worked through all the flags that could be easily addressed before but it might be worth another go around.

Posted by thomaseverest over 2 years ago

According to the code this would indeed be feminine because Pilsbry treated it as feminine in his combinations. I'll do the swaps at some point. See discussion here:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/86789471

Posted by thomaseverest over 2 years ago

OK I made Vespericola columbiana feminine/in line with Molluscabase in a way that avoided a large taxon change

Posted by loarie over 1 year ago

Ah I actually emailed Barry Roth about this and haven't gotten around to implementing the change here. This is what he said:

Vespericola was validly proposed on an introductory page (XVII) of volume 1, part 1 of Pilsbry's Land Mollusca of North America (1939). There the new genus-name was not printed attached to any associated species-name. Thus its gender was unspecified. Per the Code, in such cases the gender is to be treated as masculine. The fact that Pilsbry treated it as feminine in his full (1940) writeup is irrelevant.

So these should have masculine endings where applicable, as is found in Roth & Sadeghian
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260106779_Checklist_of_the_Land_Snails_and_Slugs_of_California_Second_Edition

Posted by thomaseverest over 1 year ago

OK - when Molluscabase updates we can change these gender endings through the back end without incurring swaps

Posted by loarie over 1 year ago

I emailed them and they didn't update. But I think we have better success emailing individual editors than the general help.

Posted by thomaseverest over 1 year ago

@loarie OK MB has updated the following:
V. armigera to V. armiger
V. colubmiana to V. columbianus
V. rhodophila to V. rhodophilus

V. oria may actually be correct if it's a noun. Would you like to update these "through the back end" or should I do some swaps?

Posted by thomaseverest about 1 year ago

the March monthly WoRMs archive is still consistent with whats on iNat https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/233542/taxonomy_details so my preference is to wait until April to change these to avoid confusing iNat when it references that archive

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago

@loarie Is the archive updated now? (I'm happy to check things like this if you can link there.) I already swapped V. rhodophila, but V. armigera and V. columbiana still need to be changed. Let me know if I should just swap these too.

Posted by thomaseverest 11 months ago

yes - they're on to the June Archive everything is pretty up to date and they seem back on their monthly schedule. I don't know why they were so delayed on that March archive

Posted by loarie 11 months ago

@loarie Great. So should I swap or do you have "back end" things to do instead?

Posted by thomaseverest 11 months ago

eitherway - if backend, can you list them out here like:
Input, Output
Blahblah blahblaha, Blahblah blahblahus
...

Posted by loarie 11 months ago

Input, Output
Vespericola armigera, Vespericola armiger

Posted by thomaseverest 11 months ago

I'll manually do V. columbianus to have a record of the change happening. V. armiger is just undoing a previous swap I had done.

Posted by thomaseverest 11 months ago

sorry I thought there was more than one, changed
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1159142-Vespericola-armiger

Posted by loarie 11 months ago

Thanks!

Posted by thomaseverest 11 months ago

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