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Central and South American Jerusalem Crickets (Genus Stenopelmatus) alice_abela Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:44:38 +0000

Taxonomic update

bouteloua

draft taxon change appears to have been committed by another user

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@birdwhisperer I'm not sure how to deal with this. D. Weissman just published a revision of Stenopelmatus and virtually all of the "Stenopelmatus" north of Mexico are now in Ammopelmatus. Individual Ammopelmatus haven't been described. I need to read the paper more carefully, but some of the little black ones from the New Mexico dunes might still be in Stenopelmatus. I don't know if there's someone I could flag that could do a genus level taxon swap just for Stenopelmatus north of Mexico?

Posted by alice_abela over 1 year ago (Flag)

@alice_abela I read the abstract (all I can access) and all I can say is my head hurts. It looks like OSF hasn't completely updated yet but the paper was released today. Taxonomy is going to be a mess from here on out with genus transfers, synonyms elevated to species status, species becoming nomen dubium; etc.

I see the best way of getting all the US species under Ammopelmatus is by doing a genus split and providing atlases for Ammopelmatus and Stenopelmatus. When the change is committed, all of the observations within Ammopelmatus will automatically be changed to that. Overlap regions will be pushed to subfamily. Once that's done, we'll merge Ammopelmatus "old" with Ammopelmatus new.

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

Here's some changes that need to be committed, as per OSF today. They're going through a maintenance shutdown in a couple minutes so the rest of the changes will likely be implemented once they're done.

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/88366
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/88367

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

I looked through the paper and all known Stenopelmatus are south of the United States border. Ammopelmatus is where the United States species are going, but Ammopelmatus will range south into Mexico as well.

Posted by alice_abela over 1 year ago (Flag)

Just for reference this is the link: https://www.biotaxa.org/Zootaxa/article/view/zootaxa.4917.1.1 but only the abstract can be read without a subscription

Posted by alice_abela over 1 year ago (Flag)

As mentioned in the abstract of the paper; "We transfer the following 16 described United States taxa, plus S. cephalotes from the “west coast of North America”, from Stenopelmatus to Ammopelmatus: A. cahuilaensis, A. californicus, A. cephalotes, A. fasciatus, A. fuscus, A. hydrocephalus, A. intermedius, A. irregularis, A. longispinus, A. mescaleroensis, A. monahansensis, A. navajo, A. nigrocapitatus, A. oculatus, A. pictus, and A. terrenus, along with the Mexican taxon A. comanchus: these species will be discussed in a subsequent paper (Weissman et al. in prep).*"

I've highlighted the last sentence because OSF has yet to transfer these species and I suspect this because like most of us here, OSF is waiting for the follow-up paper before they make the taxonomic changes. Think of it as making a judgement off a trailer before the movie comes out. Assuming that's the case, the taxonomy is technically up-to-date. We can leave the flag open until the follow-up paper, or we can close it and flag Ammopelmatus when the time comes.

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

I'm interpreting this as the United States JCs are unambiguously out of Stenopelmatus as of now. The paper just came out on 26 Jan so it'll probably take awhile for OSF to catch up.

Posted by alice_abela over 1 year ago (Flag)

@bouteloua Do you know or know anyone who can give instructions on changing the taxonomy? The big problem we're facing is changing 4,524 genus level US/Canada observations from Stenopelmatus to Ammopelmatus.

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

I'm not familiar with this group or how up-to-date OSF is, but if it is true/accepted that Stenopelmatus has been recircumscribed to exclude the US, we can do a genus level taxon split with atlases as mentioned above.

Posted by bouteloua over 1 year ago (Flag)

I'm reading the tutorial to creating atlases and it seems pretty clear that it only applies to species so I'm trying to figure out to get all the observations transferred over. Would we transfer all the species then atlas all of them so when we do the split, the genus is "atlased".

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

When you go to the Atlases homepage, click Create an atlas in the top right corner and you can select any taxon regardless of its rank. https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases

Started this draft, feel free to edit: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/88821

Posted by bouteloua over 1 year ago (Flag)

I think I have everything in order and atlased. @alice_abela Can you double check to make sure everything is in check?

https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/30714
https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/30713

Posted by birdwhisperer over 1 year ago (Flag)

It looks good from what I can tell for Ammopelmatus. I'm not sure where the southern limit of Stenopelmatus falls.

Posted by alice_abela over 1 year ago (Flag)

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