Flagger Content Author Content Reason Flag Created Resolved by Resolution
salmanabdulali zamoner_maristela Genus Neographium

Neographium is now considered to be a subgenus of Eurytides.

Jun. 14, 2022 16:53:19 +0000 deboas

Taxa swapped

Comments

Posted by salmanabdulali almost 2 years ago

Are there any objections to making Neographium a subgenus of Eurytides, as it is considered in our reference for New World butterflies? Tagging top identifiers and observers

@aleturkmen @jmmaes @luisalmota @atronox @birdernaturalist

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

I don't know enough about the taxonomic details to have an opinion.

Posted by birdernaturalist 4 months ago

Thanks, Rich. As this is the treatment in our reference for this taxon, and it is non-destructive, I'll go ahead and make this swap.

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

Done:

Swap of N. agesilaus --> E. agesilaus (with children) because both names already existed in database

Swap of genus Neographium --> subgenus Neographium (with children)

Swap of genus E. agesilaus --> E. (N.) agesilaus (with children)

Hopefully all is now sorted. Please advise if any problems. I will now check if there are other species of Eurytides that need to be swapped into the subgenus

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

The subspecies are still appearing like this: Neographium thyastes ssp. marchandii so genus name still needs to be changed on them.

Can another curator advise on the most efficient way to correct this? Do I need to create all the correct subspecies combinations with Eurytides as the genus, and do a further swap for each subspecies, or is there a simpler way? I thought swapping "with children" would deal with this, but it hasn't.

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

@salmanabdulali are there any other species of Eurytides that should be moved to this subgenus?

Posted by deboas 4 months ago
Posted by salmanabdulali 4 months ago

Eurytides philolaus is in subgenus Neographium (Pelham)
https://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm

Posted by salmanabdulali 4 months ago

Ok, flag opened on E. philolaus, if no objections we can swap it

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

@deboas a similar problem happened when I elevated Heraclides (with children) to genus level. Many species remained with Papilio in their names and the only sollution I found was to create a new taxon with the correct name and them merge the older with the new one. Took some time and apparently some observations still refused to update. Yet, I find that this may be the most straightfoward method.

Posted by edgar_crispino 4 months ago

Thanks, Edgar! I guess I'll go ahead and do it like that

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

Eurytides zonaria should also be in subgenus Neographium. See Figure 2 in Zhang et al, Genomics-guided refinement of butterfly taxonomy
http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/ttr-9-3.pdf

Posted by salmanabdulali 4 months ago

Eurytides zonaria grafted

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

I can see that there are some inactive taxa with the correct name, that would just need to be grafted to the right species.

@kwillmott @edgar_crispino would you advise using these, instead of creating these names afresh, or does that obscure what happened with past taxon changes? I'm not sure which is cleaner

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

I reactivated those inactive subspecies and grafted them correctly, seemed the simplest approach. The taxon concepts are the same, just the position of the parent species in the subgenus changed. I'll mark this flag as resolved

Posted by deboas 4 months ago

Add a Comment

Sign In or Sign Up to add comments