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rynxs ambiguous whorled milkwort (Polygala ambigua)

duplicate taxon, synonymized with P. verticillata in POWO

Nov. 1, 2022 17:57:10 +0000 rynxs

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We have both P. ambigua and P. verticillata var. ambigua, at the moment. Both are synonymized with P. verticillata in POWO: https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:692547-1#synonyms

Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago

Please do not swap yet

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Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago

I'm not entirely sure on these tbh

Posted by wildlander over 1 year ago

From comparing the two they're definitely distinct and separate entities. Habitat preference and growth form are entirely different (at least in Illinois), which is why I have been identifying P. ambigua at species level.

Also, if anyone has literature on the subgenera of Polygala I would like to section out the genus.

Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago

This is probably yet another case where POWO people need to be informed.

Posted by wildlander over 1 year ago

I don't have any substantiating sources, though... pretty much just waiting on a response from J. Richard Abbott, since I think Polygala is his wheelhouse. I might add a deviation on the species and swap the variety into the species later, just to eliminate the duplicate.

Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago

regional workers are often going to want to name everything that seems distinctive. human nature, i think. for 25+ years, i was convinced that P. ambigua & P. verticillata are different species. and maybe they are. in the field, in 25 years i never once found myself uncertain which name to apply; looking at the whole population, it always seemed easy to tell them apart... however, 5-6 years back i finally sat down with several thousand specimens from across the whole range for each, rather than just studying the mess state by state. i separated the herbarium specimens into 3 stacks, with 80% going into P. ambigua or P. verticillata piles. i set aside the remaining fifth & focused on the 2 "clear" batches. i used all the existing keys i was aware of, including the descriptions & key i wrote for the Flora North America project. and i used a nice quality dissecting scope with a micro-ruler & all the other fancy toys herbarium taxonomists play with...

and a few hours later? it became clear to me that almost every specimen had branches with flowers that matched the other species. using the whole suite of features, i.e., leaves, inflorescence details, floral details, when carefully recording the actual measurements, neither species held up as discrete & consistently separable from the other. again, this was using only the specimens that my gut-level (by sight) ID said were clearly one or the other. the brain is a pretty complex computer, capable of very subtle multi-variate analyses, and i didn't like abandoning my long-held 'belief' in there being two taxa, but i also had to accept the evidence in front of me...

i spent a couple more days going through the specimens, trying like hell to find some quantifiable distinction that actually holds up across the ranges (& not just in one small area), to no avail... i have been 'attacked' (criticized severely) by many regional botanists over the years (i first drafted the FNA treatment over 15 years ago & shared it widely long before it finally got printed), and all i can do is wish them well. go in peace, i say, and treat them however you'd like... yes, i believe that it is highly probable that Polygala verticillata in its broad sense (including P. ambigua & other infraspecific or segregate taxa) is a metaspecies complex, perhaps a stem species, out of which other lineages have evolved, lineages which may not always be morphologically diagnosable...

years back, as part of my doctoral dissertation research, i extracted DNA from several samples of 'clear' P. ambigua & P. verticillata and sequenced a handful of gene regions (ITS, trnL-F, matK, maybe rbcL?), and the phylogenetic results showed the samples to be interdigitated, i.e., they were NOT reciprocally monophyletic. so, i had already had a brief glimpse into the genetics, telling me that the lineages were not distinct. however, with only a few samples & only a few regions, maybe sampling was inadequate, maybe the lineages are relatively recent & there is just incomplete lineage sorting with those gene regions (e.g., maybe concerted evolution with ITS?), and, ultimately, if you think about most of our speciation models & the nature of population-level gene flow, it should be clear that IF species are biologically real, then we cannot (should not) enforce monophyly at the rank of species. enforcing monophyly at the rank of species is tantamount to saying that species are artificial human constructs with little or no biological reality (which may be the case, but certainly doesn't gel with how most field biologists see species)... however you analyze it, i was willing to accept that maybe the genetic markers i had studied just weren't up to the task... couple that with my inability to differentiate the taxa using measurements of herbarium specimens across their ranges, though, and i was left with two choices: 1) call myself an incompetent hack, ignore my own observations/measurements/study, and go back to accepting the views of others as my guiding light, or 2) accept that my own efforts failed to show the taxa to be distinct, no matter how much i didn't like that...

where i'm at now is mid-stream with a new project to re-address this, focusing on the P. verticillata complex in Arkansas. i see what are 'clearly' 3 species of P. verticillata here in AR... dangit... that said, we now have more than 20 samples representing all the variants, and we are using a whole genome HybSeq approach (spiked with unenriched DNA to provide chloroplast data as well as the targeted 353 single copy nuclear genes). i agree with everyone who says there should be 2 or more taxa. the problem is that the data simply don't support that. so, here's to hoping that this new approach will provide some sort of phylogenetic framework for better assessing patterns of morphological variation. maybe in another year or two, we'll be able to say something more definitive &, hopefully, more satisfactory...

Posted by jrichardabbott over 1 year ago

for now, please proceed however you'd like. i don't know the 'truth' & don't have any satisfactory answers. all i can say is that the data i gathered in my studies simply do NOT support the apparently distinctive taxa as discrete lineages... and i can point to the variation in humans. be honest here: how many species would the typical botanist split humans into, if applying the same standards we use for plants? why hold plants to a higher/finer pattern than we do with humans?

Posted by jrichardabbott over 1 year ago

Fascinating, thank you for your detailed comments!

Posted by wildlander over 1 year ago

I have decided on a viable treatment, at least for the time being. Given that (1.) it would be in everyone's best interest to maintain P. ambigua as a distinct entity, and (2.) that P. ambigua has a seemingly distinct form and habitat, I think we should place P. ambigua at species level. This treatment would correspond with the current treatments in Flora Novae Angliae and Flora of the Southeastern U.S., which represents the largest chunk of the species' geographic range.

However, this obviously deviates from POWO and FNA, who synonymize it with P. verticillata, as has been discussed. Additionally, this deviates from Flora of the Chicago Region and Flora of Wisconsin, but I don't think that's much of an issue since those floras don't seem too concerned with ranking. I think a species-level determination would also encourage the differentiation of the two forms, which may help with determining ranges of elements in this complex. If no one dissents over the next few days, then I will swap the variety into the species by next week.

Of course, this would be subject to change in the future according to genetic testing research.

Let me know what you think. In the mean time, I'm tagging people in the Chicago Region to get their attention on the plants at Bunker Hill/Sydney Yates Flatwoods. Not many of those observations have been corrected from P. verticillata, but I'm hoping some other identifiers will help out.

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Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago
Posted by rynxs over 1 year ago

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