Flag for Taxon: Genus Marionia
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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| anudibranchmom | Genus Marionia |
there's a new paper that's reflected in WoRMS for Marioniopsis |
Aug. 15, 2023 07:36:46 +0000 | thomaseverest |
Swaps done |
Comments
We can definitely swap species on our end. But should we split the genus to bump current genus IDs to family?
I guess we should; humans will have to re-review the current 228 Marionia observations (not too many, mercifully), but it might result in greater accuracy to take the time to do this. If @vie and @hsini_lin and @erwinkoehler are willing to help out with this effort, it'd go pretty fast. I'm tagging them and @tgosliner so they can weigh in on your question.
Actually looks like there's some new subfamilies, so IDs would be bumped to Marioniinae. And just a clarification that IDs of the current Marionia would be changed to Marioniinae (unless there is geographic separation), at which point all the subfamily IDs should be checked.
There's some Duvaucelia and Tritonia spp. that need to be moved around too.
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/629138
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_frameworks/22/relationship_unknown?utf8=%E2%9C%93&filters%5Btaxon_name%5D=Tritonioidea&filters%5Btaxon_id%5D=801499&filters%5Brank%5D=
Should we start moving stuff? Best to do all at once, wait a bit, and then split genera if we need to.
Agreed - maybe set it up and allow a comment period? If it's already on WORMS, though, we technically don't have to wait.
OK here's all the drafted swaps for this genus:
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129698
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129699
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129700
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129701
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129702
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129703
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129704
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129705
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129706
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129707
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129708
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/129709
I can't seem to get institutional access to that article. Do you know if these genera are separated by range at all?
After having time to finally read the paper yesterday, I've:
Marioniopsis: committed 12 taxa swaps from Marionia to Marioniopsis listed in paper already prepared by @thomaseverest.
Tritonia: created 3 missing taxa, checked existing taxa listed in paper
Candiella: created 9 taxa (missing, original but need to swap and currently accepted), then swapped from Tritonia and Duvaucelia to Candiella
Tritoniopsis: created 1 new taxon, checked existing taxa listed in paper
Tritonidoxa: checked Tritonidoxa capensis taxon
Tritoniella: created all 5 taxa in Schächinger et al. 2022, and checked existing Tritoniella belli taxon
Marianina: checked existing Marianina rosea taxon
Myrella: created 6 taxa (original but need to swap and currently accepted), and swapped some from Tritonia to Myrella
Tochuina: created 4 taxa (original but need to swap and currently accepted), but was unable to swap them from Tritonia to Tochuina
Tritonicula: created 3 taxa (original but need to swap and currently accepted), swapped 1 taxon (unable to do 1) and checked the rest taxa listed in paper
Marionia: checked all 11 taxa listed in paper and created the new Marionia frani taxon.
Paratritonia: checked Paratritonia lutea taxon
But (need to be done)
2 taxa of Tritonia are still missing as I haven't been able to find their description paper links so far: T. primorjensis, T. psoloides
I can't swap some created original taxa to current ones for some reason I don't understand:
Tritonia cincta to Candiella cincta
Tritonia taliartensis to Candiella taliartensis
Tritonia antarctica to Myrella antarctica
Tritonia nigritigris to Tochuina nigritigris
Tritonia nigromaculata to Tochuina nigromaculata
Tritonia khaleesi to Tritonicula khaleesi
Thanks for updating all those! I didn't have a problem committing those swaps, so I took care of those. Not sure what the issue might have been.
For the 2 that are missing do you want to find original descriptions just to double check them? You don't need to (and preferably shouldn't have to) cite the primary literature in iNat changes.
Also, do we need to split any genera to take care of any unintended disagreements? And what's the status of Marionia sp-a?
Thanks for updating those 6 taxa that I was unable to do, @thomaseverest!
I just found one problem: for some reason, I didn't see and still can't see Tritonia antarctica taxon when I search in Explore, hence I created it and its currently accepted taxa Myrella antarctica 2 days ago. But I saw this page this morning:
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_names/3435082/edit
There are other 2 already existing Tritonia antarctica. Both created on Jun. 4, 2019, and incorrectly swapped to Tritonia challengeriana (see Myrella challengeriana page on WoRMS, there are NO Tritonia antarctica as Synonymised name: https://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1669244). Should we delete them?
@thomaseverest I've tried to created those 2 missing taxa (Tritonia primorjensis and T. psoloides) using their taxon page link on WoRMS and MolluscaBase, but the system still asked me to cite the source....
I'm not seeing T. or M. challengeriana having T. antarctica listed as a synonym, but that presumably would have happened after the swap. It would be a good idea to remove those synonyms if they don't apply anymore.
And I'm not sure how you're trying to add names, but for the source you should just use any generic MolluscaBase. You don't need to use the specific page for the species you're adding. That's way too much work and doesn't really communicate that much more information. I've added the two you were trying to add.
@thomaseverest Re Tritonia antarctica incorrectly swapped to Tritonia challengeriana (see Heads up on top https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/897879-Tritonia-antarctica) - It was not committed, only prepared.
Yes, if it is ok to you, I'll remove that synonym, or even the doubled taxon.
Please remove synonyms that no longer apply. Thanks for figuring this stuff out!
See comment from vie here: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/178462501#activity_comment_f623499f-b66c-4582-bed2-8a5e7dc51864