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deboas marcoschmidtffm Geophila uniflora

in POWO it is a synonym of G. herbacea

Dec. 8, 2023 22:15:01 +0000 deboas

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I'm only familiar with Geophila repens.

Posted by jasonhernandez74 5 months ago

Thanks, Jason! I tagged the top identifiers and observers from the leaderboard, but because of the way the leaderboard works, you may only have added Geophila identifications, for example, and not species-level IDs

Posted by deboas 5 months ago

Whether Geophila uniflora or G. herbacea is the correct name for the old world G. repens is not as simple as it could be, see https://doi.org/10.3732/ajb.1400076. Following the recent taxon swap of G. repens to G. herbacea I asked colleagues who know the ICN better, got some good arguments for G. herbacea already, but will need a few more days, to give a good recommendation...

Posted by marcoschmidtffm 5 months ago

Thanks, Marco! From that paper you linked: "The oldest validly published name for the paleotropical plants that have been included in Geophila repens appears to be Geophila uniflora Hiern, which is here adopted as the accepted name; further study of Geophila in southeast Asia may show that an earlier name exists but is outside the scope of this present work."

Let's hold off on any changes for now until the recommendation is clear. The ideal situation would be to make the case to POWO for them to make any change to their current arrangement, and then follow that here on iNaturalist.

Posted by deboas 5 months ago
Posted by islandnaturespotter 5 months ago

We have recently had a debate about the identification of south Pacific species working on the checklist of Vanuatu flora. Here is a suscint conclusion: "Geophila repens had formerly been considered Pantropical, but is now restricted to the New World; Old World populations are sometimes listed as G. herbacea (Jacq.) K. Schum., but Razafimandimbison et al., 2014, clarifies that this name is a superfluous later name and thus illegitimate, and that G. uniflora Hiern (non Span.) is the correct name. We follow this interpretation, which is also reflected in the Tropicos Rubiaceae Project webpages." In my understanding POWO was reflecting some of the older views on those taxa.

Posted by dominik_ramik 5 months ago

Thank you, Dominik! I have written to Kew to ask them to consider updating POWO and WCVP. We can either wait for that to happen (if they agree), or, as I understand it, we can choose to make a deviation from the POWO taxonomy here and change to G. uniflora. It would be useful to know what everyone in this discussion thinks about the best way to proceed.

Posted by deboas 5 months ago

Rafaël from Kew responded already to my email. He argues that the conclusion from the 2014 paper about Geophila herbacea/uniflora is flawed, and that G. herbacea is the correct name. Here is his message (I can't see how to convert the linked images correctly in markdown, so have left them as links):

Dear Ben,

The arguments in that 2014 paper are floored, There is no indication that “The name Psychotria herbacea Jacq. does apply to the paleotropical plants that have been included in Geophila repens, however this is not the same species as Geophila herbacea K.Schum.,”. Schumann clearly referred to https://ipni.org/n/212871-2, there is no evidence at all that he referred to Rondeletia repens L., nor is there any explanation why the author came to that conclusion.

Here some more that I wrote so other who asked me the same recently (seems that time of year :) )

“There does seem to be confusing, that is people mixing nomenclature and taxonomy.

There is no such thing as Psychotria herbacea L. as Linnaeus clearly included Psychotria herbacea Jacq. by citing the only original material:

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/11628699#page/261/mode/1up

an isonyms at best (which has no standing anyway).

Jacquin: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/622933#page/19/mode/1up

so Geophila herbacea (Jacq.) K.Schum. is correct as Schumann too does not exclude the Asian plants from Jacquin and the “L.” is just an indirect reference to Jacquin as there is no Linnaean new taxon.

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32102299#page/135/mode/1up

Best wishes,

Rafaël

Posted by deboas 5 months ago

I got the same message from Rafaël and I also contacted Cyrille/African Plants Database and he also agreed, so I would go for G. herbacea.

Posted by marcoschmidtffm 5 months ago

Thanks, Marco! I'll draft the swap to merge G. uniflora into G. herbacea

Posted by deboas 5 months ago

I've committed that change (it only affected six observations)

Posted by deboas 5 months ago

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