Flag for Taxon: Springparsleys (Genus Cymopterus)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ellen5 | Springparsleys (Genus Cymopterus) |
powo |
Mar. 28, 2019 12:18:37 +0000 | jdmore |
Genus Vesper split out of Cymopterus |
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Any strong objections to recognizing the genus Vesper in iNaturalist for the above 6 species?
I know that Flora of North America will be using Vesper.
I just talked with Guy Nesom the day before yesterday (not about this genus). He said he was working on some more genera! Sheesh, Guy! :)
Also, I’m fine with the change here, although I’ll have to hammer it into my memory bank now.
If Nesom says it's good, it's good.
Fine by me - SEINet already has Hartman and Nesom's nomenclature in place, though all are also included under Cymopterus in the database as well.
Probably should go with Vesper, as this seems to be where the consensus is moving. Ron Hartman was my academic advisor back in the day - so it would be a way to honor his memory.
Hooray, a volunteer!
We have bats, mice, and a sparrow called "vesper", so by all means, plants too. "Taxonomy of the Genus Vesper" by Hartman and Nesom 2012 is here:
http://www.phytoneuron.net/94PhytoN-Vesper.pdf
Sounds like it's a Vesper party, so I'll start adding the new names and Taxon Framework Relationships.
I am late to the discussion, but I don't have any real objection to using Vesper. Hartman and Nesom's treatment is based in part on molecular work done by Sun and Downie where the now Vesper clade revealed a distinct grouping. In their papers, many if not most of the sampled Cymopterus species remained unresolved. Also, not all of the Cymopterus species were included in the study. Because of the lack of resolution of many Cymopterus species and others not included in the study, it is unclear how Vesper will relate to many of the other Cymopterus as research unfolds. As a result, clades that show distinct groupings (relationships) are being given new taxonomic consideration. This "cherry picking" (not meant to be derogatory), may cause more genera to be generated as new groupings are discovered, possibly neglecting potential re-consolidations of clades. While I think it is was a little premature to create the new genus Vesper, science is always ebbing and flowing with new nomenclature hypothesis, so I am okay to go with the flow, especially since the FNA treatment will be propping up the name for several decades.
Thanks for the input @rojosmojo, well-said and all points well-taken.
The Vesperocalypse is complete, closing this flag.
my thanks!
if powo is to be the authority, then a number of the Cymopterus species (but not all) belong in genus Vesper instead.
These include bulbosus, campestris (as V montanus), constancei, macrorhizus, multinervatus, purpurascens