Flag for Comment 11936485
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Note that in the related flag, and in the discussion linked above, it was revealed that the flagging user only flagged my ID, and not that of other identifiers who used the same ID. Therefore, it was an invalid flag the first time. I expressed a valid reason why I always ID photo 1. Additional identifiers also use this strategy and never got flagged, not that I'm suggesting that they should be.
Can you show where that rule is stated? My understanding was that was a strong suggestion and not a "policy" https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#manytaxaperobs.
Another relevant consideration is that technically, observers aren't supposed to upload observations with photo 1 and photo 2 showing different species. So in this observation that I was flagged for IDing photo 1 for, the observation itself was uploaded incorrectly. I regard that as providing further justification for only IDing photo 1 (the observer "should" delete photo 2, in cases when that is possible, and then problem solved).
Note that photo 2 is the previous observation. So this was clearly an oversight on the observers part.
The observer has not been active for years.
What's the point of making two flags for the same thing? https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/614214
bdadgley's curator status has been removed for insulting comments here https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/9075792 and by a pattern of escalating conflicts rather than deescalating. We've resolved associated flags and recommend everyone focus on descaling and stepping away from provoking further escalation
This is a patently false statement and unfair decision, which I have reasons and evidence to back up. However, I am currently editing or deleting any or all of my comments that people have misleadingly tried to blame me over, or other comments that they may choose to flag as part of this tactic. I would also agree, as charlie suggested, for everyone to delete their comments and to delete flag pages. Please indicate if anyone is willing to agree to entirely delete messags and flag pages. In the meantime, me deleting or editing my comments is not because I was wrong, this is a clear wrongful and unfair decision to single me out for punishing, as other curators have said, and my curator status should be restored in full. I wasn't even given any specific warning about my curator status before this "announcement," which they then asked everyone including me not to speak about, i.e. I can't defend myself from false accusations. Anyway, I would prefer a more cooperative outcome and will not mention or talk to any of the involved users again, except if relating to them flagging me.
I'm not going to step into the ring here and comment on any alleged bullying or misuse, but I do want to highlight how iNaturalist has utterly failed the community by not allowing photos to be unlinked in an observation. There have been many excellent observations from ephemeral users that are rendered worthless (i.e. Casual Grade), all because multiple species were included together.
Long live always ID photo 1... or, better yet, fix the damn problem causing this to be a thing.
Rather than air one's views here, why dont you post it on the forum as a feature request? I for one would certainly agree to it.
There is a topic here: https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/easy-way-to-mark-multiple-species-observations/278/160 - but that is part of the problem and not a solution.
I dont outright see this as a feature request in the forum - so why not post it?
But comments on observations and comments on flags is not the way to find a solution to this issue.
(although most forum issues get so dragged down by side issues and potential red herrings that it is often very frustrating to try and suggest anything).
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And I see that still no one has shown where identifying only the first photo is against policy and not just suggested not to. There are a lot of us that just ID the first photo and add a note to split.
@loarie As you know curators, especially for highly debated flags that were part of you making a big decision to remove my curator status without even a warning, are supposed to write in the resolution field whether me the flagged user did or didn't violate site policy. As it stands, jakob has accused me of "Intentionally ignoring site policy," yet your resolved the flag without indicating if he was wrong, which I've often seen you and tiwane do, including for jakob in the past. Please tell us, did I or did I not violate site policy? There is no mandatory requirement, I and others checked. And this marks about 10 or more flags by jakob of me over years which were invalid. And he was never suspended or lost curator status for being found to have harassed and bullied me for 2+ years, which you and tiwane also ignored for 2+ years.
@bdagley I‘ve had enough of your claims that I would be bullying and harassing you. Please stop repeating these claims!
Please stop bullying and harassing me for over 3 years then, including invalid flags like this.
Sorry for delayed response but I wish to share my opinion here. I went through the original post, feeling sad for @bdagley. I sense no malicious intent from the opinion/suggestion by @bdagley. I think some staffs should've handled this issue differently (if the approach is unacceptable) rather than mistreating & removing him from curator status.
I don't want to escalate the issue but my humble request is to discuss over the issue (atleast in the future) before flagging someone (no one is perfect). As the last resort you may go for flagging but in this issue flagging/removing from curator status is unnecessary, imo. He made an unique & exceptional contributions to this site (and also I often happened to see many observers thanked him for his suggestion to unlink & post different observations seperately when the observers don't have clue on those, etc.). I think nowadays bdagley is not used to id much, because of that so many hymenopteran observations left unattended. It'll ultimately end up bad for this site to make potential identifier to feel insecure. Could any staffs please review this issue again & restore his curator status ? Thanks.
Coupled by the fact that it is very difficult to delete pictures. Many, many times, I have asked users to delete an image, they respond later that they did, but when I check, the image is still there, or they deleted the wrong image. Meaning I have to spell out step by step how to remove an image. I know how to remove images and have done it myself occasionally, but it took me quite a while to figure it out too. Considering how many times I have had users willing but unable to remove images, it can only be concluded that it is one of the least user friendly aspects of the site.
In this situation, we have a sizable amount of identifiers who are trying to work around a part of the site that's unworkable. I really don't think we should be punished for that.
This is just an opinion. It is not flouting any rules.