IUCN Global Mammal Assessment update

I just finished updating iNaturalist Mammal Taxonomy to the IUCN Global Mammal Assessment aside from the following 'explicit deviations' that we're currently making:

first, IUCN doesn't include 'domestic-only' species. But iNat has the following:
Equus caballus, Equus asinus, Canis familiaris, Felis catus, Bos taurus, Ovis aries, Capra hircus, Bubalus bubalis, Bos indicus, Lama glama, Vicugna pacos, Camelus dromedarius, Camelus bactrianus, Cavia porcellus

Also iNat has the following newly described species not yet in IUCN:
Monodelphis pinocchio, Monodelphis saci, Euroscaptor orlovi, Euroscaptor kuznetsovi, Gracilimus radix, Neusticomys vossi

The following are lumped in IUCN but split in iNat:
1. Sciurus vulgaris in lieu of iNat's Sciurus meridionalis, Sciurus vulgaris
2. Glaucomys sabrinus in lieu of iNat's Glaucomys sabrinus, Glaucomys oregonensis
3. Ictidomys mexicanus in lieu of iNat's Ictidomys mexicanus, Ictidomys parvidens
4. Otospermophilus beecheyi in lieu of iNat's Otospermophilus beecheyi, Otospermophilus atricapillus
5. Thomomys umbrinus in lieu of iNat's Thomomys umbrinus, Thomomys sheldoni, Thomomys atrovarius
6. Proechimys trinitatis in lieu of iNat's Proechimys urichi, Proechimys trinitatus
7. Proechimys guairae in lieu of iNat's Proechimys poliopus, Proechimys guairae
8. Clyomys laticeps in lieu of iNat's Clyomys bishopi, Clyomys laticeps
9. Trinomys setosus in lieu of iNat's Trinomys myosuros, Trinomys setosus
10. Lagidium viscacia in lieu of iNat's Lagidium peruanum, Lagidium viscacia
11. Dasyprocta leporina in lieu of iNat's Dasyprocta cristata, Dasyprocta leporina
12. Coendou quichua in lieu of iNat's Coendou rothschildi, Coendou quichua
13. Heterogeomys lanius in lieu of iNat's Orthogeomys lanius
14. Heterogeomys dariensis in lieu of iNat's Orthogeomys dariensis, Orthogeomys thaeleri
15. Heterogeomys cherriei in lieu of iNat's Orthogeomys matagalpae, Orthogeomys cherriei
16. Chaetodipus ammophilus in lieu of iNat's Chaetodipus dalquesti, Chaetodipus ammophilus
17. Dipodomys merriami in lieu of iNat's Dipodomys merriami, Dipodomys insularis, Dipodomys margaritae
18. Monodelphis glirina in lieu of iNat's Monodelphis maraxina, Monodelphis glirina
19. Monodelphis scalops in lieu of iNat's Monodelphis theresa, Monodelphis scalops
20. Monodelphis americana in lieu of iNat's Monodelphis rubida, Monodelphis americana, Monodelphis umbristriatus
21. Thylamys cinderella in lieu of iNat's Thylamys sponsorius, Thylamys cinderella
22. Chaetophractus vellerosus in lieu of iNat's Chaetophractus nationi, Chaetophractus vellerosus
23. Loxodonta africana in lieu of iNat's Loxodonta cyclotis, Loxodonta africana
24. Alces alces in lieu of iNat's Alces americanus, Alces alces
25. Sminthopsis fuliginosus in lieu of iNat's Sminthopsis fuliginosus, Sminthopsis aitkeni
26. Crocidura poensis in lieu of iNat's Crocidura fingui, Crocidura poensis
27. Sorex antinorii in lieu of iNat's Sorex arunchi, Sorex antinorii
28. Ochotona roylei in lieu of iNat's Ochotona roylei, Ochotona himalayana
29. Ochotona dauurica in lieu of iNat's Ochotona dauurica, Ochotona huangensis
30. Ochotona gloveri in lieu of iNat's Ochotona muliensis, Ochotona gloveri
31. Ochotona forresti in lieu of iNat's Ochotona forresti, Ochotona nigritia, Ochotona gaoligongensis

The following are split in IUCN vs lumped in iNat:
1. Urocitellus brunneus, Urocitellus endemicus in lieu of iNat's Urocitellus brunneus
2. Hylobates muelleri, Hylobates abbotti, Hylobates funereus in lieu of iNat's Hylobates muelleri
3. Lutreolina massoia, Lutreolina crassicaudata in lieu of iNat's Lutreolina crassicaudata
4. Marmosops caucae, Marmosops impavidus in lieu of iNat's Marmosops impavidus
5. Monodelphis peruviana, Monodelphis adusta in lieu of iNat's Monodelphis adusta
6. Ochotona pallasii, Ochotona opaca in lieu of iNat's Ochotona pallasi
7. Ochotona hyperborea, Ochotona coreana, Ochotona mantchurica in lieu of iNat's Ochotona hyperborea
8. Pithecia chrysocephala, Pithecia pithecia in lieu of iNat's Pithecia pithecia #IUCN wants to split P. pithecia into P. pithecia and P. chrysocephala, but currently have just added P. chrysocephala with no range
9. Cebus albifrons, Cebus cuscinus, Cebus aequatorialis, Cebus cesarae, Cebus malitiosus, Cebus versicolor in lieu of iNat's Cebus albifrons #IUCN wants to split C. albifrons into C. albifrons,cuscinus,aequatorialis,cesarae,malitiosus, & versicolor, but currently have just added the additional taxa with no ranges and not reassessed C. albifrons

1 to 1 swaps:
1. Cebus brunneus in lieu of iNat's Cebus olivaceus #IUCN wants to split C. olivaceus into C. brunneus & C. olivaceus but currently have just pulled C. olivaceus (sensu lato) and just added C. brunneus with no range
2. Pithecia milleri in lieu of iNat's Pithecia monachus #IUCN wants to split P. monachus into P. monachus,milleri,hirsuta,inusta,napensis,isabela, & cazuzai, but currently have just pulled P. monachus (sensu lato) and just added P. milleri with no range
3. Pithecia vanzolinii in lieu of iNat's Pithecia irrorata #IUCN wants to split P. irrorata into P. vanzolinii,rylandsi,mittermeieri, & pissinattii, but currently have just pulled P. irrorata (sensu lato) and just added P. vanzolinii with no range
4. Neotamias minimus in lieu of iNat's Tamias minimus
5. Neotamias merriami in lieu of iNat's Tamias merriami
6. Neotamias amoenus in lieu of iNat's Tamias amoenus
7. Neotamias townsendii in lieu of iNat's Tamias townsendii
8. Neotamias umbrinus in lieu of iNat's Tamias umbrinus
9. Neotamias dorsalis in lieu of iNat's Tamias dorsalis
10. Neotamias speciosus in lieu of iNat's Tamias speciosus
11. Neotamias sonomae in lieu of iNat's Tamias sonomae
12. Eutamias sibiricus in lieu of iNat's Tamias sibiricus
13. Neotamias quadrimaculatus in lieu of iNat's Tamias quadrimaculatus
14. Neotamias quadrivittatus in lieu of iNat's Tamias quadrivittatus
15. Neotamias panamintinus in lieu of iNat's Tamias panamintinus
16. Neotamias durangae in lieu of iNat's Tamias durangae
17. Neotamias siskiyou in lieu of iNat's Tamias siskiyou
18. Neotamias canipes in lieu of iNat's Tamias canipes
19. Neotamias bulleri in lieu of iNat's Tamias bulleri
20. Neotamias obscurus in lieu of iNat's Tamias obscurus
21. Neotamias rufus in lieu of iNat's Tamias rufus
22. Neotamias senex in lieu of iNat's Tamias senex
23. Neotamias ruficaudus in lieu of iNat's Tamias ruficaudus
24. Neotamias cinereicollis in lieu of iNat's Tamias cinereicollis
25. Neotamias alpinus in lieu of iNat's Tamias alpinus
26. Neotamias palmeri in lieu of iNat's Tamias palmeri
27. Neotamias ochrogenys in lieu of iNat's Tamias ochrogenys
28. Gyldenstolpia fronto in lieu of iNat's Kunsia fronto
29. Tanyuromys aphrastus in lieu of iNat's Sigmodontomys aphrastus
30. Otomys karoensis in lieu of iNat's Otomys saundersiae
31. Gerbillus mackilligini in lieu of iNat's Gerbillus mackillingini
32. Micaelamys namaquensis in lieu of iNat's Aethomys namaquensis
33. Micaelamys granti in lieu of iNat's Aethomys granti
34. Nannospalax ehrenbergi in lieu of iNat's Spalax ehrenbergi
35. Nannospalax leucodon in lieu of iNat's Spalax leucodon
36. Nannospalax xanthodon in lieu of iNat's Spalax nehringi
37. Toromys rhipidurus in lieu of iNat's Makalata rhipidura
38. Brassomys albidens in lieu of iNat's Coccymys albidens

These were mysteriously removed from IUCN for seemingly no good reason so I left them in (sometimes IUCN pulls an assessment while they're in the process of revising it):
Alouatta seniculus, Mico manicorensis, Cacajao melanocephalus, Cebus capucinus, Cercopithecus pogonias, Dipodomys ornatus

Lastly, bats is a total cluster @#$@ at the moment with the following IUCN bats not in iNat:
Dermanura anderseni, Dermanura azteca, Dermanura cinerea, Dermanura gnoma, Dermanura tolteca, Chaerephon aloysiisabaudiae, Chaerephon ansorgei, Chaerephon bemmeleni, Chaerephon bivittatus, Chaerephon bregullae, Chaerephon chapini, Chaerephon gallagheri, Chaerephon jobensis, Chaerephon johorensis, Chaerephon major, Chaerephon nigeriae, Chaerephon plicatus, Chaerephon pumilus, Chaerephon russatus, Chaerephon solomonis, Chaerephon tomensis, Diclidurus isabella, Hipposideros commersoni, Mops brachypterus, Mops condylurus, Mops congicus, Mops demonstrator, Mops midas, Mops mops, Mops nanulus, Mops niangarae, Mops niveiventer, Mops petersoni, Mops sarasinorum, Mops spurrelli, Mops thersites, Mops trevori, Hypsugo anthonyi, Pipistrellus hesperus, Hypsugo joffrei, Hypsugo kitcheneri, Hypsugo lophurus, Hypsugo macrotis, Pipistrellus subflavus, Rhogeessa alleni, Rousettus lanosus, Scotonycteris ophiodon, Austronomus australis, Mops leucostigma, Triaenops rufus, Neoromicia matroka, Nycticeinops schlieffeni, Hypsugo vordermanni, Lissonycteris angolensis, Hypsugo savii, Miniopterus africanus, Neoromicia brunnea, Neoromicia capensis, Neoromicia flavescens, Neoromicia guineensis, Neoromicia helios, Neoromicia melckorum, Neoromicia nana, Neoromicia rendalli, Neoromicia somalica, Neoromicia tenuipinnis, Neoromicia zuluensis, Austronomus kuboriensis, Natalus espiritosantensis, Dermanura rosenbergi, Neoromicia malagasyensis, Neoromicia robertsi, Neoromicia roseveari, Chaerephon atsinanana, Mops bakarii, Mormopterus lumsdenae, Mormopterus kitcheneri, Mormopterus halli, Mormopterus ridei, Mormopterus cobourgianus, Myotis nyctor, Rhinolophus xinanzhongguoensis, Dermanura glauca, Dermanura bogotensis, Dermanura phaeotis, Rhinolophus belligerator, Rhinolophus mcintyrei, Rhinolophus proconsulis, Rhinolophus tatar, Rhinolophus indorouxii, Rhinolophus microglobosus, Epomophorus minor, Scotophilus andrewreborii, Scotophilus ejetai, Scotophilus livingstonii, Scotophilus trujilloi, Murina bicolor, Murina gracilis, Murina recondita, Murina jaintiana, Murina pluvialis, Hypsugo bemainty, Otonycteris leucophaea, Myotis secundus, Myotis soror, Submyotodon latirostris, Myotis borneoensis, Myotis federatus, Myotis peytoni, Peropteryx pallidoptera, Cynomops milleri, Eumops wilsoni, Eumops nanus, Pteronotus mesoamericanus, Pteronotus rubiginosus, Molossus bondae, Promops davisoni, Chiroderma vizzotoi, Anoura cadenai, Artibeus schwartzi, Micronycteris buriri, Micronycteris giovanniae, Lophostoma occidentalis, Lonchophylla peracchii, Thyroptera wynneae, Eptesicus taddeii, Lasiurus salinae, Myotis diminutus, Myotis izecksohni, Myotis lavali, Rhogeessa bickhami, Rhogeessa menchuae, Rhogeessa velilla, Vampyrodes major, Sturnira burtonlimi, Sturnira koopmanhilli, Sturnira perla, Platyrrhinus incarum, Platyrrhinus angustirostris, Platyrrhinus aquilus, Platyrrhinus nitelinea, Neoromicia isabella, Dermanura watsoni

and the following iNat bats not in IUCN:
Pteropus pelewensis, Myotis phanluongi, Pipistrellus savii, Pipistrellus nanus, Pipistrellus rendalli, Pipistrellus capensis, Pipistrellus guineensis, Pipistrellus tenuipinnis, Pipistrellus brunneus, Pipistrellus zuluensis, Pipistrellus isabella, Pipistrellus somalicus, Pipistrellus roseveari, Pipistrellus stanleyi, Pipistrellus anthonyi, Eptesicus malagasyensis, Eptesicus matroka, Perimyotis subflavus, Parastrellus hesperus, Plecotus gaisleri, Pipistrellus lophurus, Pipistrellus kitcheneri, Pipistrellus joffrei, Pipistrellus macrotis, Pipistrellus vordermanni, Pipistrellus helios, Pipistrellus robertsi, Pipistrellus lanzai, Pipistrellus bemainty, Scotophilus alvenslebeni, Nycticeinops schlieffenii, Nyctophilus corbeni, Nyctophilus major, Glauconycteris atra, Tadarida australis, Tadarida pumila, Tadarida condylura, Tadarida nigeriae, Tadarida plicata, Tadarida thersites, Tadarida nanula, Tadarida jobensis, Tadarida ansorgei, Tadarida aloysiisabaudiae, Tadarida major, Tadarida demonstrator, Tadarida russata, Tadarida spurrelli, Tadarida bregullae, Tadarida leucostigma, Tadarida midas, Tadarida tomensis, Tadarida trevori, Tadarida chapini, Tadarida brachyptera, Tadarida bakarii, Baeodon alleni, Tadarida johorensis, Tadarida kuboriensis, Tadarida mops, Tadarida sarasinorum, Tadarida solomonis, Molossus barnesi, Harpiocephalus mordax, Tadarida bemmeleni, Tadarida bivittata, Tadarida congica, Tadarida gallagheri, Tadarida jobimena, Tadarida niangarae, Tadarida niveiventer, Tadarida petersoni, Tadarida atsinanana, Artibeus phaeotis, Artibeus watsoni, Artibeus aztecus, Artibeus toltecus, Miniopterus oceanensis, Artibeus cinereus, Natalus macrourus, Miniopterus mossambicus, Miniopterus fuliginosus, Miniopterus villiersi, Artibeus glaucus, Artibeus incomitatus, Artibeus rosenbergii, Lophostoma aequatorialis, Lophostoma yasuni, Artibeus anderseni, Sturnira thomasi, Artibeus gnomus, Pteropus yapensis, Pteropus argentatus, Pteropus brunneus, Diclidurus isabellus, Myonycteris angolensis, Stenonycteris lanosus, Scotonycteris bergmansi, Scotonycteris occidentalis, Casinycteris ophiodon, Dobsonia magna, Pteropus pilosus, Pteropus tokudae, Pteropus insularis, Rhinolophus geoffroyi, Rhinolophus willardi, Hipposideros commersonii, Hipposideros nicobarulae, Hipposideros cryptovalorona, Rhinolophus nippon, Rhinolophus mabuensis, Rhinolophus horaceki, Rhinolophus kahuzi, Triaenops menamena, Coelops hirsutus, Paracoelops megalotis

It would be fantastic if someone could do the work mapping between these two groups more explicitly.

As before, please flag any taxon that you find problematic (either because we're not making an exception and you think we should be, or because we are making an exception and you think we shouldn't be).

Also, thanks for bearing with me on process for discussing/updating mammal taxonomy. We were previously using this thread on my personal journal. But now that we have Collection Projects, it seems like it might be more appropriate to continue that thread in a project. I've created a Mammal Taxonomic Working Group project where we can make posts to discuss and relay updates related to Mammal taxonomy. Please follow the project if you want to receive these posts.

Also there's some discussion of transitioning from IUCN Global Mammal Assessment to the ASM list. If anyone wants to help, I think a mapping between IUCN and ASM would be hugely useful to figure out the degree and character of the difference between these taxonomic sources.

Thanks!

Posted by loarie loarie, July 06, 2018 23:18

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I am glad we are revisiting our discussion on mammal taxonomy. I have some quick comments / questions:
1. I would be happy to help map IUCN and ASM taxa. It may be helpful to start a Google spreadsheet like last time that all of us can look at and work on.
2. Is there a potential global bat or rodent authority we can use in place of the ASM or IUCN? I don't want to make things more complicated than they should be, but the IUCN has not published assessments for all mammal species, and I suspect that the few that have not may fall within these groups (because they are so numerous). It may be helpful to have another reference just for them.
3. For those who are looking to use iNaturalist for research and want to understand our taxonomic schemes, it may be helpful to explain why "the IUCN acknowledges Squirrel A but we split it into Squirrel B and Squirrel C". Maybe the users who encouraged the discrepancy could write a brief, one-or-two sentence explanation as to why it exists. It might even be nice to add some sort of icon or banner on the taxon pages for the outliers that are not acknowledged by our primary mammal reference.
4. Are we to take any stance on how we acknowledge mammal subspecies? I know that it is a topic administrators may not want to address because it is very complex and potentially tedious, but some vocal users have been raising concerns with how they are implemented on the site. Some subspecies are acknowledged by the IUCN for conservation purposes (like the dingo), and I am sure some subspecies are on the ASM list too. Are we to take subspecies into consideration when cross-referencing the ASM to iNat, or should we leave them alone for now and only focus on species?
5. I will make a detailed flag about this, but I still think domestic yaks (Bos grunniens) should be its own taxon separate from the wild yak. The latter is threatened species with a limited range, and I think it would be helpful to separate the two.
6. We still have four orangutans instead the appropriate three on iNat; Pongo tapanuliensis has two separate, active ID numbers (https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/43581-Pongo).

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi bobby23 -
1. awesome thanks! here's a google doc with IUCN mammals https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NVc25P96o-CgpMThf2tGwmEhoxQMjv-WG6p0rdJxcFQ/edit?usp=sharing the trick is we need to know 1-to-1 matches, 1-to-1 swaps, but also splits and lumps. I like that in a format where each row is {iucn: [species1, species2, etc.], asm: [species 3, species4, etc]} but I know that can't be represented in a spreadsheet. but if you can come up with a format where these non 1-to-1 mappings can be captured in the spreadsheet, we can convert it to the above format

2. maybe @jakob knows? I know IUCN is updating bats and rodents out of Rome, they're just slow

3. I agree, ideally I'd like blog posts for each like https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/amphibian-taxonomic-working-group/journal/17226 but it takes work to write these

4. ugh ssp. Does ASP include these? IUCN doesnt

5. curious what others think on this specifically and 'domestic only's' more generally

6. fixed thanks

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Are we going to tackle the higher taxonomy? Certainly for Afrotheria the current taxonomy is sorely lacking.

Posted by tonyrebelo about 1 year ago (Flag)
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can you elaborate tonyrebelo? iNats using orders from IUCN (except that iNat is separating Cetacea from Artiodactyla at the moment mainly because there's projects etc that use these admittedly non monophyletic nodes)

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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I dont think there is a strong difference between the old and new orders, with a few exceptions (outlined above). It is the higher classification, above ordinal level, which the iUCN does not mention, although it does have an Afrotherian Working group, that deals with ((Proboscidea + Sirenia) + Hyracoidea) )+ (Tubulentidae +(Macroscelidae+Chrysochloridae)., thereby implicitly recognising the classification.

Posted by tonyrebelo about 1 year ago (Flag)
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got it - you're talking about adding additional nodes to the tree. Can you specify what you're proposing in this format:
parent, new node, rank, [descendant taxa]
e.g.
Mammalia, Afrotheria, superorder, [Proboscidea,Sirenia,Hyracoidea]
?

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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See Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal_classification

Placentals:

Atlantogenata
- Afrotheria
- - Clade Afroinsectiphilia
- - - Order Macroscelidea
- - - Order Afrosoricida
- - - Order Tubulidentata
- - Clade Paenungulata
- - - Order Proboscidea
- - - Order Hyracoidea
- - - Order Sirenia
- Xenarthra
- - Order Cingulata
- - Order Pilosa

Boreoeutheria
- Euarchontoglires
- - Superorder Euarchonta
- - - Order Scandentia
- - Clade Primatomorpha
- - - Order Dermoptera
- - - Order Primates: lemurs, bushbabies, monkeys, apes (cosmopolitan).
- - Superorder Glires
- - - Order Lagomorpha: pikas, rabbits, hares (Eurasia, Africa, Americas)
- - - Order Rodentia: rodents (cosmopolitan)

Laurasiatheria
- - - Order Eulipotyphla
- Clade Ferungulata
- - Cohort Cetartiodactyla: includes orders Artiodactyla and Cetacea
- Clade Pegasoferae
- - - Order Chiroptera: bats (cosmopolitan)
- - - Order Perissodactyla:
- Clade Ferae
- - - Order Pholidota
- - - Order Carnivora: carnivorans (cosmopolitan)

Posted by tonyrebelo about 1 year ago (Flag)
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iNat doesn't currently support unranked 'clades', currently between class and order there are subclass, infraclass, and superorder to work with

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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@loarie I have started to comb through the iNat bats missing from the IUCN Red List, and I thought you should know that the situation is not nearly as bad as it may seem. Most of the bats I looked at actually are on the Red List, just under different names. For example, Pipistrellus somalicus (iNat) is listed as Neoromicia somalica (IUCN). Of the 29 bats I have looked at thus far, only two are legitimately missing from the IUCN.

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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@loarie I combed through the 116 bats listed above “on iNaturalist but not on the IUCN”. The majority of the iNat bats are junior synonyms of IUCN bats, and I recommend swaps for most of these cases. I relied on the ASM Mammal Diversity Database as a secondary source in lieu of any official, well-curated bat database (because I at least could not find one). Pteropus brunneus, P. pilosus, and P. tokudae are on the IUCN Red List. They may not have been listed when you checked because they are extinct. I am not an authority on bats. If @jakob (or any other bat-savvy iNat users) has any discrepancies he would like to bring up or reasons why some or all of these swaps should not be made, I encourage him to bring them up now.

I originally wanted to make just one post, but it was too lengthy, so I posted them in parts.

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Changes based on the IUCN Red List
• Artibeus anderseni (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura anderseni (IUCN)
• Artibeus aztecus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura azteca (IUCN)
• Artibeus cinereus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura cinerea (IUCN)
• Artibeus glaucus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura glauca (IUCN)
• Artibeus gnomus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura gnoma (IUCN)
• Artibeus phaeotis (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura phaeotis (IUCN)
• Artibeus rosenbergii (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura rosenbergi (IUCN)
• Artibeus toltecus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura tolteca (IUCN)
• Artibeus watsoni (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura watsoni (IUCN)
• Baeodon alleni (iNat) should be swapped with Rhogeessa alleni (IUCN)
• Coelops hirsutus (iNat) should be swapped with Coelops robinsoni spp. hirsutus (IUCN)
• Diclidurus isabellus (iNat) should be swapped with Diclidurus isabella (IUCN)
• Eptesicus malagasyensis (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia malagasyensis (IUCN)
• Eptesicus matroka (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia matroka (IUCN)
• Harpiocephalus mordax (iNat) should be swapped with Harpiocephalus harpia (IUCN)
• Lophostoma aequatorialis (iNat) should be swapped with Lophostoma occidentalis (IUCN)
• Lophostoma yasuni (iNat) should be swapped with Lophostoma carrikeri (IUCN)
• Molossus barnesi (iNat) should be swapped with Molossus coibensis (IUCN)
• Natalus macrourus (iNat) should be swapped with Natalus espiritosantensis (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus anthonyi (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo anthonyi (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus bemainty (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo bemainty (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus brunneus (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia brunnea (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus capensis (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia capensis (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus guineensis (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia guineensis (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus helios (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia helios (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus isabella (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia isabella (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus joffrei (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo joffrei (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus kitcheneri (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo kitcheneri (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus lophurus (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo lophurus (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus macrotis (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo macrotis (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus nanus (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo nana (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus rendalli (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia rendalli (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus robertsi (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia robertsi (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus roseveari (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia roseveari (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus savii (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo savii (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus somalicus (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia somalica (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus tenuipinnis (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia tenuipinnis (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus vordermanni (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo vordermanni (IUCN)
• Pipistrellus zuluensis (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia zuluensis (IUCN)

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(cont.)
• Pteropus argentatus (iNat) should be swapped with Pteropus chrysoproctus (IUCN)
• Pteropus yapensis (iNat) should be swapped with Pteropus pelewensis yapensis (IUCN)
• Rhinolophus nippon (iNat) should be retained; it has no assessment page, but IUCN authors state that “although Thomas (1997, unpublished thesis) found very high divergence in mitochondrial DNA sequences, Csorba et al. 2003 refrained from splitting Japanese greater horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus nippon) from R. ferrumequinum”; this suggests that they would support it
• Stenonycteris lanosus (iNat) should be swapped with Rousettus lanosus (IUCN), though the ASM retains Stenonycteris lanosus as the senior name
• Tadarida aloysiisabaudiae (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon aloysiisabaudiae (IUCN)
• Tadarida ansorgei (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon ansorgei (IUCN)
• Tadarida atsinanana (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon atsinanana (IUCN)
• Tadarida australis (iNat) should be swapped with Austronomus australis (IUCN)
• Tadarida bakarii (iNat) should be swapped with Mops bakarii (IUCN)
• Tadarida bemmeleni (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon bemmeleni (IUCN)
• Tadarida bivittata (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon bivittatus (IUCN)
• Tadarida brachyptera (iNat) should be swapped with Mops brachypterus (IUCN)
• Tadarida bregullae (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon bregullae (IUCN)
• Tadarida chapini (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon chapini (IUCN)
• Tadarida condylura (iNat) should be swapped with Mops condylurus (IUCN)
• Tadarida congica (iNat) should be swapped with Mops congicus (IUCN)
• Tadarida demonstrator (iNat) should be swapped with Mops demonstrator (IUCN)
• Tadarida gallagheri (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon gallagheri (IUCN)
• Tadarida jobensis (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon jobensis (IUCN)
• Tadarida jobimena (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon jobimena (IUCN)
• Tadarida johorensis (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon johorensis (IUCN)
• Tadarida kuboriensis (iNat) should be swapped with Austronomus kuboriensis (IUCN)
• Tadarida leucostigma (iNat) should be swapped with Mops leucostigma (IUCN)
• Tadarida major (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon major (IUCN)
• Tadarida midas (iNat) should be swapped with Mops midas (IUCN)
• Tadarida mops (iNat) should be swapped with Mops mops (IUCN)
• Tadarida nanula (iNat) should be swapped with Mops nanulus (IUCN)
• Tadarida niangarae (iNat) should be swapped with Mops niangarae (IUCN)
• Tadarida nigeriae (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon nigeriae (IUCN)
• Tadarida niveiventer (iNat) should be swapped with Mops niveiventer (IUCN)
• Tadarida petersoni (iNat) should be swapped with Mops petersoni (IUCN)
• Tadarida plicata (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon plicatus (IUCN)
• Tadarida pumila (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon pumilus (IUCN)
• Tadarida russata (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon russatus (IUCN)
• Tadarida sarasinorum (iNat) should be swapped with Mops sarasinorum (IUCN)
• Tadarida solomonis (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon solomonis (IUCN)
• Tadarida spurrelli (iNat) should be swapped with Mops spurrelli (IUCN)
• Tadarida thersites (iNat) should be swapped with Mops thersites (IUCN)
• Tadarida tomensis (iNat) should be swapped with Chaerephon tomensis (IUCN)
• Tadarida trevori (iNat) should be swapped with Mops trevori (IUCN)

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Changes based on the ASM Mammal Diversity Database
These species are not on the IUCN Red List in any form, so I differed to ASM for these taxa. An asterisk “*” denotes a species on the IUCN, but with a decade-old assessment (published in 2008). For cases like this, I differed to ASM.

• Artibeus incomitatus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura incomitatus (ASM)
• Casinycteris ophiodon (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Hipposideros commersonii (iNat) should be swapped with Macronycteris commersoni (ASM); IUCN recognizes Hipposideros commersoni*
• Hipposideros cryptovalorona (iNat) should be swapped with Macronycteris cryptovalorona (ASM)
• Hipposideros nicobarulae (iNat/ASM) should be retained; IUCN recognizes Hipposideros ater*
• Miniopterus fuliginosus (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Miniopterus mossambicus (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Miniopterus oceanensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Myonycteris angolensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Myotis phanluongi (iNat) should be swapped with Myotis phanluongi (ASM)
• Nyctophilus corbeni (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Nyctophilus major (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Paracoelops megalotis (iNat) should be swapped with Hipposideros megalotis (ASM); IUCN recognizes Hipposideros pomona*
• Parastrellus hesperus (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Perimyotis subflavus (iNat/ASM) should be retained; IUCN recognizes Pipistrellus subflavus*
• Pipistrellus lanzai (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo lanzai (ASM)
• Pipistrellus stanleyi (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia stanleyi (ASM)
• Plecotus gaisleri (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Pteropus insularis (iNat) should be swapped with Pteropus pelagicus (ASM)
• Pteropus pelewensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Rhinolophus horaceki (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Rhinolophus kahuzi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Rhinolophus mabuensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Rhinolophus willardi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Scotonycteris bergmansi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Scotonycteris occidentalis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
• Scotophilus alvenslebeni (iNat/ASM) should be retained

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Changes based on primary literature
In some cases, a taxon was not on the IUCN Red List or the ASM Database, so I had no other choice but to differ to the primary literature. Most are recently described taxa.

• Glauconycteris atra (iNat) should be retained; it is a recently described species (Hassanin et al. 2018)
• Nycticeinops schlieffenii (iNat) should be retained; it is a recently described species (Koubínová et al. 2013)
• Rhinolophus geoffroyi (iNat) should be retained; it traditionally is treated as a synonym of R. clivosus, but Stoffberg et al. (2012) finds mitochondrial differentiation; it's not listed as a synonym of R. clivosus on IUCN

Taxonomic limbo
• Sturnira thomasi (iNat) lacks recent literature and is in neither database; the IUCN use to have an assessment for it published in 1996, but it was pulled from their database over a decade ago

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Of the bats listed above under "IUCN Bats currently not on IUCN", 71 were not not involved with the proposed taxon changes I posted earlier. I have mapped them to the IUCN Red List, the ASM Database, and our own taxonomy (to ensure they were not just overlooked synonyms), and determined the following:

These IUCN bats are legitimately missing from iNaturalist, are listed on the ASM Database, and need to be added to iNat
• Anoura cadenai
• Artibeus schwartzi
• Chiroderma vizzotoi
• Cynomops milleri
• Dermanura bogotensis
• Epomophorus minor
• Eptesicus taddeii
• Eumops nanus
• Eumops wilsoni
• Lasiurus salinae
• Lonchophylla peracchii
• Micronycteris buriri
• Micronycteris giovanniae
• Miniopterus africanus
• Mormopterus cobourgianus
• Mormopterus halli
• Mormopterus kitcheneri
• Mormopterus lumsdenae
• Mormopterus ridei
• Murina bicolor
• Murina gracilis
• Murina jaintiana
• Murina pluvialis
• Murina recondita
• Myotis borneoensis
• Myotis diminutus
• Myotis federatus
• Myotis izecksohni
• Myotis lavali
• Myotis nyctor
• Myotis peytoni
• Myotis secundus
• Myotis soror
• Neoromicia flavescens
• Neoromicia melckorum
• Nycticeinops schlieffeni
• Otonycteris leucophaea
• Peropteryx pallidoptera
• Platyrrhinus angustirostris
• Platyrrhinus aquilus
• Platyrrhinus incarum
• Platyrrhinus nitelinea
• Promops davisoni
• Pteronotus mesoamericanus
• Pteronotus rubiginosus
• Rhinolophus belligerator
• Rhinolophus indorouxii
• Rhinolophus mcintyrei
• Rhinolophus microglobosus
• Rhinolophus proconsulis
• Rhinolophus tatar
• Rhinolophus xinanzhongguoensis
• Rhogeessa bickhami
• Rhogeessa menchuae
• Rhogeessa velilla
• Scotophilus andrewreborii
• Scotophilus ejetai
• Scotophilus livingstonii
• Scotophilus trujilloi
• Sturnira burtonlimi
• Sturnira koopmanhilli
• Sturnira perla
• Submyotodon latirostris
• Thyroptera wynneae
• Vampyrodes major

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These IUCN Bats are on iNat under different names adopted by the ASM Database and should be left alone
• Myonycteris angolensis (iNat/ASM) in place of Lissonycteris angolensis (IUCN)
• Parastrellus hesperus (iNat/ASM) in place of Pipistrellus Hesperus (IUCN)
• Stenonycteris lanosus (iNat/ASM) in place of Rousettus lanosus (IUCN)
• Casinycteris ophiodon (iNat/ASM) in place of Scotonycteris ophiodon (IUCN)

IUCN Bats treated as junior synonyms on ASM that I'm unsure of whether they should be implimented or not
• Molossus bondae (IUCN, 2017) is treated as Molossus currentium (ASM)
• Triaenops rufus (IUCN, 2017) is treated as Triaenops persicus (ASM); it traditionally applies to the Madagascan population of T. persicus; some authorities treat them synonymous, others keep them distinct

I have tagged active curators and the top bat ID'ers for relevancy. I'm sorry for being pest!
@loarie @jakob @natalie @laguirre @juancruzado @svaldvard

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi @bobby23 - thanks for this excellent work on bats! 2 questions:

1) re:
• Pipistrellus nanus (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo nana (IUCN)
looks like IUCN has Neoromicia nana but not Hypsugo nana. Should the output taxon instead be Neoromicia nana?

2) these are three bats in iNat not treated above. What should we do with these?
Miniopterus villiersi
Dobsonia magna
Triaenops menamena

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi, @loarie. Thank you for getting back to me! I know you've been busy.

1.) That was a mistake - it should be Neoromicia nana. Both the IUCN and ASM recognize the name. Hypsugo nana was an error on my part. Even the spreadsheett I made says "Neoromicia nana".

2.) I did look at these three, but they are problematic.
2.1) Miniopterus villiersi (iNat) is not on the IUCN Red List or ASM Database. The Catalogue of Life (CoL) recognizes "Miniopterus schreibersii villiersi", a name recognized by Wikipedia's bat contributors as well. However, neither IUCN or ASM recognize subspecies for Miniopterus schreibersii. Primary literature from the last decade recognize Miniopterus villiersi as a species in-text. Based on the general direction of the literature, I tentatively suggest we leave it alone for now. Jakob may know more, since it's an African bat.
2.2) Dobsonia magna (iNat) is not formally on the IUCN Red List, but is mentioned in the taxonomic note for Dobsonia moluccensis: "Dobsonia moluccensis has been considered separate from Dobsonia magna (Bergmans and Sarbini 1985), but more taxonomic work needs to be conducted to clarify their taxonomy (Helgen 2007)". There statement implies D. magna and D. moluccensis should tentatively be recognized as separate taxa, and I recommend we follow that position on iNat. D. magna is missing from the ASM Database, but is included on CoL.
2.3) Triaenops menamena (iNat/ASM) should be retained.

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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OK thanks @bobby23 those should be updated and I updated the explicit deviations script

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Thank you for implementing these changes, @loarie. I know it was a lot of work, and I appreciate the shoutout in the explicit deviation list! The next steps I plan on taking is fully mapping the ASM Database to our taxonomy and the IUCN Red List, but not in the immediate future. I still have trouble downloading their full taxon list off of the site.
I know that you must be busy with vascular plants and your personal life, but by any chance did you see my latest post in the Cephalopod Working Group? Cephalopoda can be marked 'complete'.

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Hi @bobby23 @loarie I'm only now looking into this - do you want my input, or are you done?

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Hi Jakob, input would be great. iNat now follows IUCN taxonomy for bats with the following explicit deviations:
{iucn: ["Hipposideros commersoni"], inat: ["Macronycteris commersoni"]}, #Hipposideros commersonii (iNat) should be swapped with Macronycteris commersoni (ASM); IUCN recognizes Hipposideros commersoni*
{iucn: ["Pipistrellus hesperus"], inat: ["Parastrellus hesperus"]}, #Parastrellus hesperus (iNat/ASM) in place of Pipistrellus Hesperus (IUCN)
{iucn: ["Pipistrellus subflavus"], inat: ["Perimyotis subflavus"]},#Perimyotis subflavus (iNat/ASM) should be retained; IUCN recognizes Pipistrellus subflavus*
{iucn: ["Scotonycteris ophiodon"], inat: ["Casinycteris ophiodon"]}, #Casinycteris ophiodon (iNat/ASM) in place of Scotonycteris ophiodon (IUCN)
{iucn: ["Triaenops rufus","Triaenops persicus"], inat: ["Triaenops persicus"]}, #Triaenops rufus (IUCN, 2017) is treated as Triaenops persicus (ASM); it traditionally applies to the Madagascan population of T. persicus; some authorities treat them synonymous, others keep them distinct
{iucn: ["Lissonycteris angolensis"], inat: ["Myonycteris angolensis"]}, #Myonycteris angolensis (iNat/ASM) in place of Lissonycteris angolensis (IUCN)
{iucn: ["Molossus bondae","Molossus currentium"], inat: ["Molossus currentium"]},#Molossus bondae (IUCN, 2017) is treated as Molossus currentium (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Plecotus gaisleri"]}, #Plecotus gaisleri (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Scotophilus alvenslebeni"]}, #Scotophilus alvenslebeni (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Nycticeinops schlieffenii"]}, #Nycticeinops schlieffenii (iNat) should be retained; it is a recently described species (Koubínová et al. 2013)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Nyctophilus corbeni"]}, #Nyctophilus corbeni (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Nyctophilus major"]}, #Nyctophilus major (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Glauconycteris atra"]}, #Glauconycteris atra (iNat) should be retained; it is a recently described species (Hassanin et al. 2018)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Hypsugo lanzai"]}, #Pipistrellus lanzai (iNat) should be swapped with Hypsugo lanzai (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Neoromicia stanleyi"]}, #Pipistrellus stanleyi (iNat) should be swapped with Neoromicia stanleyi (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Miniopterus fuliginosus"]}, #Miniopterus fuliginosus (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Miniopterus oceanensis"]}, #Miniopterus oceanensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Miniopterus mossambicus"]}, #Miniopterus mossambicus (iNat/ASM) should be retained

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{iucn: [], inat: ["Miniopterus villiersi"]}, #Miniopterus villiersi (iNat) is not on the IUCN Red List or ASM Database. The Catalogue of Life (CoL) recognizes "Miniopterus schreibersii villiersi", a name recognized by Wikipedia's bat contributors as well. However, neither IUCN or ASM recognize subspecies for Miniopterus schreibersii. Primary literature from the last decade recognize Miniopterus villiersi as a species in-text. Based on the general direction of the literature, I tentatively suggest we leave it alone for now. Jakob may know more, since it's an African bat.
{iucn: [], inat: ["Sturnira thomasi"]}, #Sturnira thomasi (iNat) lacks recent literature and is in neither database; the IUCN use to have an assessment for it published in 1996, but it was pulled from their database over a decade ago
{iucn: [], inat: ["Dermanura incomitatus"]}, #Artibeus incomitatus (iNat) should be swapped with Dermanura incomitatus (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Macronycteris cryptovalorona"]}, #Hipposideros cryptovalorona (iNat) should be swapped with Macronycteris cryptovalorona (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Pteropus pelewensis"]}, #Pteropus pelewensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Pteropus pelagicus"]}, #Pteropus insularis (iNat) should be swapped with Pteropus pelagicus (ASM)
{iucn: [], inat: ["Dobsonia magna"]}, #Dobsonia magna (iNat) is not formally on the IUCN Red List, but is mentioned in the taxonomic note for Dobsonia moluccensis: "Dobsonia moluccensis has been considered separate from Dobsonia magna (Bergmans and Sarbini 1985), but more taxonomic work needs to be conducted to clarify their taxonomy (Helgen 2007)". There statement implies D. magna and D. moluccensis should tentatively be recognized as separate taxa, and I recommend we follow that position on iNat. D. magna is missing from the ASM Database, but is included on CoL.
{iucn: [], inat: ["Scotonycteris occidentalis"]}, #Scotonycteris occidentalis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Scotonycteris bergmansi"]}, #Scotonycteris bergmansi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus geoffroyi"]}, #Rhinolophus geoffroyi (iNat) should be retained; it traditionally is treated as a synonym of R. clivosus, but Stoffberg et al. (2012) finds mitochondrial differentiation; it's not listed as a synonym of R. clivosus on IUCN
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus willardi"]}, #Rhinolophus willardi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus mabuensis"]}, #Rhinolophus mabuensis (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus horaceki"]}, # (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus nippon"]}, #Rhinolophus nippon (iNat) should be retained; it has no assessment page, but IUCN authors state that “although Thomas (1997, unpublished thesis) found very high divergence in mitochondrial DNA sequences, Csorba et al. 2003 refrained from splitting Japanese greater horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus nippon) from R. ferrumequinum”; this suggests that they would support it
{iucn: [], inat: ["Rhinolophus kahuzi"]}, #Rhinolophus kahuzi (iNat/ASM) should be retained
{iucn: [], inat: ["Triaenops menamena"]}, #Triaenops menamena (iNat/ASM) should be retained.
{iucn: [], inat: ["Hipposideros nicobarulae"]} #Hipposideros nicobarulae (iNat/ASM) should be retained; IUCN recognizes Hipposideros ater*

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Do we have a clean list somewhere, showing the names vis-a-vis?

Posted by jakob about 1 year ago (Flag)
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I don't think so but if you describe what you need I can make it

Posted by loarie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Are the lists I wrote in the above posts not suffice @jakob?

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi everyone, thanks for your efforts to update species names! There are quite some lists already, just a small add for now:
If we recognize Macronycteris commersoni here, which I think makes sense (based on this source http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3161/15081109ACC2017.19.1.001 which is referred to by ASM), the following also need to be changed:
- Hipposideros vittatus (IUCN, iNat) to Macronycteris vittatus (ASM)
- Hipposideros gigas (IUCN, iNat) to Macronycteris gigas (ASM)
- Hipposideros cyclops (IUCN, iNat) to Doryrhina cyclops (ASM)

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Otherwise, could you indicate which complete list we should use to look at?

Posted by natalie about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi, @natalie. I would support those changes, but the revisions I suggested were specifically take care of the discrepancies between the bats on iNaturalist and the IUCN Red List. In the long run, I think we should retire the IUCN Red List as our mammal authority and replace it with the ASM Mammal Diversity Database, though I don't believe everyone is one board with that yet.

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Ok, maybe some clarification is needed here then. The above note is based on the list of deviations from the IUCN Red List, and my suggestion is to use Macronycteris/Doryrhina instead of Hipposideros for all species concerned and covered by the same source, and not only for two of them. I hope this helps!

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Mammal Taxonomy Help Wanted (Again)
Hello, everyone.

It has become apparent that not everyone is fully satisfied with relying on the IUCN Red List as our mammal authority (myself included). While the people involved with the IUCN do great work, their database is a conservation tool, not a taxonomic one. They sometimes lag behind taxonomic changes, or exclude taxa because they haven't provided conservation assessments for them yet (particularly among rodents and bats).

The American Society of Mammalogists (ASM) recently released their own taxonomic checklist on mammals - the Mammal Diversity Database (MDD). The MDD could potentially succeed the IUCN as our primary mammal authority for iNaturalist. However, in order to see if the MDD is a right fit for us, we need to map the differences between the IUCN and MDD. @carrieseltzer has kindly provided us with this Google spreadsheet that will allow us to compare-and-contrast the databases. I have already mapped Afrosoricida, Artiodactyla (+ Cetacea), Carnivora, and few other orders - with the MDD's explicit deviations from the IUCN highlighted in a light yellow - but this process will go a lot faster if other people participated. The IUCN mammals are already on the spreadsheet - we just need the ones on MDD. You can download the full database here. It would be great if others could help out, even with just a few taxa!

@nateupham - the lead on the ASM Mammal Diversity Database - has kindly offered to serve as a mediator who will help explain deviations between the two databases. If you have any questions about the MDD, please direct your questions to him. Hopefully, if everything goes according to plan, we can formally retire the IUCN and adopt the MDD.

(Below I have tagged people who may find this topic relevant to them, be it because they are active curators, top IDer of mammals, have been involved with past discussions on mammal taxonomy, or are simply trusted authorities who work well with others. If you'd rather not be involved with this transition, I apologize for the disturbance.)
@aguilita @asemerdj @biohexx1 @calebcam @emilianomori @dejong @ldacosta @jakob @johnnybirder @jwidness @kokhuitan @loarie @maxallen @natalie @nba52 @nutcracker @oebarker @sea-kangaroo @tonyrebelo @tony_wills

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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@bobby23 as far as I know, a new version of "Mammal Species of the World" is in the making. This is an internationally and meticuously curated mammal taxonomy with a long tradition. www.bucknell.edu/majors-and-minors/biology/faculty-and-staff/deeann-reeder.html is coordinating the new edition, and I strongly suggest to wait and adopt that mammal database. In the meanwhile, an interim mammal taxonomy with input from both the Mammal Diversity Database and the primary literature seems to be the best compromise in my opinion.

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@jakob I agree MSW is a great reference, but I see a couple issues with using it. One, it makes a one-step process (switching to MDD) into a two-step process (switch to MDD now, then to MSW later). And two, MDD says it intends to continue updating with "regular releases", whereas MSW is running on a ten to fifteen year update cycle.

Posted by jwidness about 1 year ago (Flag)
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I was told that, together with the new edition of MSW, a regularly updated online version is planned (and MSW4 supposedly being the last print edition). Probably best to ask DeeAnn Reeder about the specific plans and milestones as this is information shared via Nancy Simmons (AMNH).

Posted by jakob about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Thanks for looping me in @bobby23 -- I can confirm that MSW4 has plans to have an accompanying online database with this edition. They may have plans to keep that somewhat updated (or at least more frequently than 10-15-year releases), but the organizational structure or timelines for those releases is not clear. Our goals with the MDD are to (i) remove the need to wait for this delayed MSW4, (ii) democratize the process of mammal taxonomy by having the changes in the global list represent a summary of published changes in the peer-reviewed literature (vs. the more subjective decisions of single chapter authors, for example), and (iii) have this process occur in roughly real-time to track newly published literature. Our idea is that taxonomic changes have an increasing relevance to conservation policy and management decisions, and that more regular taxonomic updates are needed to reflect the best science. The last goal of being real-time is something we are not at yet, but aim to attain in the next ~year.

Having the MDD be an initiative supported through the American Society of Mammalogists also (hopefully) gives it some sustainability, since that is a group that will continue to be advocates for mammal taxonomy (beyond my participation, or others). I'll also mention that Map of Life is supporting my time (as a post-doc) on these efforts, and would be interested in working closer with you all at iNat.

But the caveat is that the MDD is still a work in progress, and we are working in the next 6-months to ramp up our volunteer-based infrastructure, especially as regards assembling a larger synonym dictionary.

Posted by nateupham about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Thanks for the heads up, @jakob, I will contact DeeAnn Reeder. But last I heard, the fourth edition of the MSW ins't expected to be released until 2020. The MDD is available now. Even if we were to adopt the MSW as you suggested, the plan you recommend would still require us to map the IUCN Red List to the MDD if we were to rely on it in the interim. And, as @jwidness mentioned, the MDD will be regularly updated. Even with Reeder's promise of releasing a curated, online version of the MSW, we don't know how regularly those updates would be. If it's like Plants of the World Online, revisions could take months or years. I also appreciate, as Nate described above, the aim for the MDD to mitigate subjectivity with what taxa are acknowledged on their database. I still think there is a lot of value in mapping the IUCN to the MDD.

Posted by bobby23 about 1 year ago (Flag)
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Hi folks, the mammal taxon framework is now sourced to MDD instead of IUCN. See: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/40151/taxonomy_details. Unfortunately, it means we now have 1089 deviations to bridge whats currently on iNat (e.g. IUCN) and MDD.

We're finishing up functionality where taxon curators can edit taxon frameworks. But in the meantime, please give these deviations a look. The easiest thing would be just to eliminate these 1089 deviations (make a bunch of swaps and add a bunch of new species) to 'sync' up with MMD. But I know there are at least a few places where people would like to continue deviating from MMD (e.g. keeping American and European Alces separate).

Lets say the plan is to mostly sync up with MDD (e.g.. mostly resolve these deviations) - whats the best way for us to communicate the list of deviations from MDD we want to keep?

Posted by loarie 9 months ago (Flag)
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We talked about some higher level mammal taxonomy over at the Cetacea flag, but just to have it all in one place in case someone looks for it here, there were two proposals:

1) Move Cetacea to a suborder of Artiodactyla (following Groves and Grubb 2011)

2) Add mammal clades at the subclass, infraclass, and superorder level (following Burgin et al. 2018, the paper published out of the MDD work)

subclass Prototheria
- includes order Monotremata

subclass Theria
- includes all other mammals (marsupials and placentals)

infraclass Marsupialia
- includes Didelphimorphia, Paucituberculata, Microbiotheria, Notoryctemorphia, Dasyuromorpha, Peramelemorphia, Diprotodontia

infraclass Placentalia
- includes all remaining mammal orders

superorder Afrotheria
- includes Tubulidentata, Afrosoricida, Macroscelidea, Hyracoidea, Proboscidea, Sirenia

superorder Xenarthra
- includes Cingulata, Pilosa

superorder Euarchontoglires
- includes Scandentia, Dermoptera, Primates, Lagomorpha, Rodentia

superorder Laurasiatheria
- includes Eulipotyphla, Chiroptera, Carnivora, Pholidota, Perissodactyla, Artiodactyla (and Cetacea as currently in iNat)

Posted by jwidness 9 months ago (Flag)
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Thanks, @loarie. Using the framework significantly speeds up the original task. I will comb through these deviations and help whenever possible.

However, since you brought it up, I believe @nutcracker was the only one who pushed for keeping moose and elk separate, and it was purely for regional etymology. I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do, but maybe others feel differently...

Posted by bobby23 9 months ago (Flag)
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@jwidness I personally would prefer making Cetacea a suborder of Artiodactyla, but if the second proposal is less disruptive to iNaturalist, I'm fine with that as well.

Posted by bobby23 9 months ago (Flag)
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@bobby23 sorry I'm confused by your post -- I was supporting both proposals. It sounds like maybe you thought I wanted one or the other?

Posted by jwidness 9 months ago (Flag)
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And I have one other request to add:

add suborder Suina, following Groves and Grubb 2011
- includes Suidae and Tayassuidae

Posted by jwidness 9 months ago (Flag)
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Sorry, @jwidness I was the one who was confused. You're correct - I misread your post and thought you were supporting one over the other for some reason.

As I implied in the Cetacea flag, I endorse both.

Posted by bobby23 9 months ago (Flag)
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Ok - all those nodes have been added

Posted by loarie 9 months ago (Flag)
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Thanks @loarie!

Posted by jwidness 9 months ago (Flag)
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"whats the best way for us to communicate the list of deviations from MDD we want to keep?"

I'm not sure if this is the best solution, @loarie but I have started a Google spreadsheet comparing the deviations we made from the IUCN (as listed above) to the taxonomy currently available on the MDD. I think it might be a good idea to see which of our IUCN deviations are supported by the MDD and which ones should be reexamined. Anyone is welcome to contribute and work on it here. Please feel free to remove, add, or reformat columns in any way desired.

I know that the Vascular Plant Working Group has a working spreadsheet of intentional deviations from Plants of the World Online. A similar system might benefit us, especially since we can have direct correspondence with @jwidness and @nateupham.

NOTE: When it is stated that "species X is absent on MDD", I mean it is not on the ASM Species Checklist nor accessible as a synonym under a recognized species.

Posted by bobby23 9 months ago (Flag)
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bobby - how about trying to take this on in smaller chunks - like one order at a time. I nested 10 smaller frameworks inside the mammal framework:
Carnivora
Marsupialia
Xenarthra
Afrotheria
Rodentia
Artiodactyla
Eulipotyphla
Lagomorpha
Primates
Chiroptera

Lets start with Carnivora which is manageable (just 42 deviations). I made a flag here:
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/318256#activity_comment_2433337
can you (and anyone else who is interested) use that flag to discuss which deviations we want to keep and which we want to eliminate?

Posted by loarie 9 months ago (Flag)
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