Taxon swap aaaaaa 48px Taxonomic Swap 37711 (Committed on 2018-08-21)

swapped in POWO

Plants of the World Online (Citation) | 8_2018 Phrymaceae update
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loarie on 2018-08-21 | loarie on 2018-08-21
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these were done as a 1:1 split but i guess there are actually a bunch of Diplacus species now? Or else people think they are and are identifying them as such. So all these observations are a mess now.
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/274644#activity_comment_2079666
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Posted by charlie 10 months ago (Flag)
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can you isolate your concern(s) so its easier to understand? Are you saying you don't like following POWO in this case, or that you are sad that the species are cryptic, or that this should have been a split (to what) vs a swap?

Posted by loarie 10 months ago (Flag)
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Sorry. what i am seeing is that it was done as a 1:1 but there are people identifying these as a bunch of different species as with the discussion and links at https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/18612-observation-of-the-month-red-sticky-monkeyflower-diplacus-puniceus-phrymaceae . Is the issue that people are diverging from POWO, or that this was swapped 1:1 instead of split? But they intergrade and don't have totally distinct biogeographies, so I'm not sure how one would even conduct this split. Really what i'd want to do is create a subgenus to hold them all and over time people can go through and classify these to the new species as appropriate... but knocking them back to genus seems a loss. (i do think they should be subspecies but that probably isn't worthy of a flag, everyone who has read my posts already knows that).

I'm not sure what to do about 1-> many splits with somewhat cryptic species (these Diplacus don't seem as bad as some) in species that already have a lot of observations. At least the Diplacus genus is small. But this gets so messy, and messes with so much data that I just don't know...

Posted by charlie 10 months ago (Flag)
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maybe write a journal post with nice visuals explaining the 'Diplacus aurantiacus complex' in simple terms? that would be useful to me at least. maybe along the lines of https://ww.inaturalist.org/projects/inaturalist-fiddler-and-ghost-crab-working-group/journal/17610 ?

Posted by loarie 10 months ago (Flag)
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hmm, i'm not sure anything I make will be better than https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/18612-observation-of-the-month-red-sticky-monkeyflower-diplacus-puniceus-phrymaceae since that's where i learned about this and all i know about it is in that blog post and links. Will look at it if i get time

Posted by charlie 10 months ago (Flag)
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i just realized you meant in the working group project, yeah that makes sense. For some reason that fiddler crab working group project wouldn't show for me.

Posted by charlie 10 months ago (Flag)

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