Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
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diogoprov | Criolla Frog (Leptodactylus latrans) |
it has been subjected to taxonomic changes |
Dec. 22, 2020 13:22:37 +0000 | gonsaro |
change comitted |
@diegojsantana can help with any questions you have about the atlas
@gonsaro es possible compartir un mapa con las distribuciones de las otras especies (como Leptodactylus luctator) marcado? Por ejemplo puedes empezar con este map de Leptodactylus latrans sensu lato https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/70710-Leptodactylus-latrans
y marcar lo como hice aqui
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/507004
@diogoprov @diegojsantana Can you help me if you have distribution maps, to be able to present and make the corresponding split?
I created atlases for
-L. payaya https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/30832
-L. paranaru https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/30833
-L. luctator https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/30674
@loarie what happens with the observations made if I remove Argentina for example from L. latrans atlas? Just to know what happens if I edit the atlas that should be checked?
Atlases to look at
-L. bolivianus https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/9059
-L. guianensis https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/9050
-L. insularum https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/9060
-L. macrosternum https://www.inaturalist.org/atlases/9069
@gonsaro - the idea is that we will make a draft taxon split
with Leptodactylus latrans as the input and
Leptodactylus latrans, L. bolivianus, etc... as the outputs
nothing will happen to the observations until we commit the split.
But before committing the split all the outputs need atlases and the Leptodactylus latrans atlas needs to be narrowed
Can you create a draft taxon split (https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/new) with the appropriate inputs and outputs? here's a blog post that might be helpful https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/40417-using-a-taxon-split-input-as-an-output
@loarie I already narrowed the atlases but then I failed creating the draft taxon because everytime it says "Something went wrong". Don't know what can it be.
OK I made a draft change here https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/89366
it looks like the following need atlases:
→ Leptodactylus latrans
→ Leptodactylus bolivianus
→ Leptodactylus insularum
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator
do you need help creating those?
(I'm also curious to reproduce your 'something went wrong' bug if you can explain it but if its too hard to explain we can worry about it later)
Thanks! The atlases were already created, but they were inactive. I already reactivated them.
Regarding the bug, I don't know what could have happened, it happened the same 3 times.
It was a split type change, I wanted to add a new source by completing all the fields, and in "change group" I did not change anything.
Input and output taxon I put the same as I mentioned above. I just did the test of trying to load a swap without completing fields and it threw me a warning sign that they needed to be filled. Maybe it was a particular error yesterday.
ok - the main point of a split is that when a taxon is narrowed (like Leptodactylus latrans) to replace existing IDs that refer to the former broader concept with new IDs of the common ancestor of the outputs or a particular output (if we can uniquely identify it from the atlases).
It looks from the atlases that you're proposing to narrow not just Leptodactylus latrans but also Leptodactylus bolivianus. Is that the case? Then shouldn't this be 2 splits
Leptodactylus latrans -> with the following split off ->
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator
→ Leptodactylus macrosternum
Leptodactylus bolivianus -> with the following split off ->
→ Leptodactylus insularum
→ Leptodactylus guianensis
The truth is that in this case I do not have enough knowledge to be sure if it should be done two splits, or just do the one for L. latrans and not include the L. bolivianus complex.
Based on the cited work "The L. latrans species group, also known as butter frogs because of their slippery skin, includes eight species: Leptodactylus bolivianus (Boulenger 1898), L. chaquensis (Cei 1950), L. guianensis (Heyer and de Sa´ 2011), L. insularum (Barbour 1906), L. latrans (Steffen 1815), L. macrosternum (MirandaRibeiro 1926), L. silvanimbus McCranie Wilson and Porras 1980 (McCranie et al., 1980) , and L. viridis (Jim and Spirandeli-Cruz 1979). Members of this species group are distributed from Central America and some Caribbean islands off South America coast (eg, L. silvanimbus and L. insularum) to Argentina (eg, L. latrans and L. chaquensis), and throughout all South American biomes east of the Andes (from Sa´ et al. 2014)."
but also says
" However, species in the L. latrans group are morphologically cryptic, and three species complexes are recognized (de Sa´ et al. 2014): the L. bolivianus complex, which encompasses L. bolivianus, L. guianensis, and L. insularum (thoroughly reviewed by Heyer and de Sa´ 2011), the L. latrans complex and the species pair L. chaquensis – L. macrosternum complex."
If I look at the map of L. latrans including gbif observations this species is all over Central and South America and that's where I don't know what to do with those observations. Maybe @diogoprov and @diegojsantana can help with this.
Hola @santiagon nos podrás ayudar con este cambio?
hello @loarie is this change going to be committed?
this split was committed https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_splits/89366
thanks a lot @loarie
Leptodactylus latrans has been restricted to costal Brasil, while Leptodactylus chaquensis has been synonymized with L. macrosternum and some new taxa have been revalidated and others newly described.
https://bioone.org/journals/herpetological-monographs/volume-34/issue-1/0733-1347-31.4.131/Taxonomic-Review-of-South-American-Butter-Frogs--Phylogeny-Geographic/10.1655/0733-1347-31.4.131.short