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diogoprov Criolla Frog (Leptodactylus latrans)

it has been subjected to taxonomic changes

Dec. 22, 2020 13:22:37 +0000 gonsaro

change comitted

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Leptodactylus latrans has been restricted to costal Brasil, while Leptodactylus chaquensis has been synonymized with L. macrosternum and some new taxa have been revalidated and others newly described.

https://bioone.org/journals/herpetological-monographs/volume-34/issue-1/0733-1347-31.4.131/Taxonomic-Review-of-South-American-Butter-Frogs--Phylogeny-Geographic/10.1655/0733-1347-31.4.131.short

Posted by diogoprov over 3 years ago

@diegojsantana can help with any questions you have about the atlas

Posted by diogoprov over 3 years ago

@gonsaro es possible compartir un mapa con las distribuciones de las otras especies (como Leptodactylus luctator) marcado? Por ejemplo puedes empezar con este map de Leptodactylus latrans sensu lato https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/70710-Leptodactylus-latrans
y marcar lo como hice aqui
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/507004

Posted by loarie over 3 years ago

@diogoprov @diegojsantana Can you help me if you have distribution maps, to be able to present and make the corresponding split?

Posted by gonsaro over 3 years ago
Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago

@gonsaro - the idea is that we will make a draft taxon split with Leptodactylus latrans as the input and
Leptodactylus latrans, L. bolivianus, etc... as the outputs
nothing will happen to the observations until we commit the split.

But before committing the split all the outputs need atlases and the Leptodactylus latrans atlas needs to be narrowed

Can you create a draft taxon split (https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/new) with the appropriate inputs and outputs? here's a blog post that might be helpful https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/40417-using-a-taxon-split-input-as-an-output

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago

@loarie I already narrowed the atlases but then I failed creating the draft taxon because everytime it says "Something went wrong". Don't know what can it be.

Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago

can you list the input and output taxa here?

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago

Input → Leptodactylus latrans

Output → Leptodactylus latrans
→ Leptodactylus bolivianus
→ Leptodactylus guianensis
→ Leptodactylus insularum
→ Leptodactylus macrosternum
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator

Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago

OK I made a draft change here https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/89366
it looks like the following need atlases:
→ Leptodactylus latrans
→ Leptodactylus bolivianus
→ Leptodactylus insularum
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator

do you need help creating those?

(I'm also curious to reproduce your 'something went wrong' bug if you can explain it but if its too hard to explain we can worry about it later)

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago

Thanks! The atlases were already created, but they were inactive. I already reactivated them.

Regarding the bug, I don't know what could have happened, it happened the same 3 times.

It was a split type change, I wanted to add a new source by completing all the fields, and in "change group" I did not change anything.

Input and output taxon I put the same as I mentioned above. I just did the test of trying to load a swap without completing fields and it threw me a warning sign that they needed to be filled. Maybe it was a particular error yesterday.

Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago

ok - the main point of a split is that when a taxon is narrowed (like Leptodactylus latrans) to replace existing IDs that refer to the former broader concept with new IDs of the common ancestor of the outputs or a particular output (if we can uniquely identify it from the atlases).
It looks from the atlases that you're proposing to narrow not just Leptodactylus latrans but also Leptodactylus bolivianus. Is that the case? Then shouldn't this be 2 splits

Leptodactylus latrans -> with the following split off ->
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator
→ Leptodactylus macrosternum

Leptodactylus bolivianus -> with the following split off ->
→ Leptodactylus insularum
→ Leptodactylus guianensis

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago

The truth is that in this case I do not have enough knowledge to be sure if it should be done two splits, or just do the one for L. latrans and not include the L. bolivianus complex.
Based on the cited work "The L. latrans species group, also known as butter frogs because of their slippery skin, includes eight species: Leptodactylus bolivianus (Boulenger 1898), L. chaquensis (Cei 1950), L. guianensis (Heyer and de Sa´ 2011), L. insularum (Barbour 1906), L. latrans (Steffen 1815), L. macrosternum (MirandaRibeiro 1926), L. silvanimbus McCranie Wilson and Porras 1980 (McCranie et al., 1980) , and L. viridis (Jim and Spirandeli-Cruz 1979). Members of this species group are distributed from Central America and some Caribbean islands off South America coast (eg, L. silvanimbus and L. insularum) to Argentina (eg, L. latrans and L. chaquensis), and throughout all South American biomes east of the Andes (from Sa´ et al. 2014)."
but also says
" However, species in the L. latrans group are morphologically cryptic, and three species complexes are recognized (de Sa´ et al. 2014): the L. bolivianus complex, which encompasses L. bolivianus, L. guianensis, and L. insularum (thoroughly reviewed by Heyer and de Sa´ 2011), the L. latrans complex and the species pair L. chaquensis – L. macrosternum complex."
If I look at the map of L. latrans including gbif observations this species is all over Central and South America and that's where I don't know what to do with those observations. Maybe @diogoprov and @diegojsantana can help with this.
Hola @santiagon nos podrás ayudar con este cambio?

Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago

I'd just deal with the split of L. latrans at this moment. I also don't know enough about the L. bolivianus complex to help you and in this paper Magalhãaes et al they mainly focused on the latrans complex.

Posted by diogoprov about 3 years ago

Do you mean
Leptodactylus latrans -> with the following split off ->
→ Leptodactylus payaya
→ Leptodactylus paranaru
→ Leptodactylus luctator
→ Leptodactylus macrosternum

and remove Leptodactylus bolivianus, Leptodactylus insularum, Leptodactylus guianensis from the split output taxa?

Posted by loarie about 3 years ago

yes, I'd do this way

Posted by diogoprov about 3 years ago

hello @loarie is this change going to be committed?

Posted by gonsaro about 3 years ago
Posted by loarie almost 3 years ago

thanks a lot @loarie

Posted by diogoprov almost 3 years ago

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