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dryopteris2 western scouringrush (Subspecies Equisetum hyemale affine)

this is a synonym of Equisetum praealtum.

Sep. 27, 2021 18:40:43 +0000 kitty12

Swap done

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This is a big swap, so let's gauge the temperature in the community. @radekwalkowiak @erwin_pteridophilos @choess @barbaraparris @davidenrique @crothfels Please tag in other interested people.

Posted by kitty12 over 2 years ago

I have no particular knowledge or expertise about this issue, so I'll just say that iNat generally follows Plants of the World Online (which is referred to as POWO, for some weird reason) when it comes to plant taxonomy. POWO treats praealtum as the correct name, so that would be a point in favor of the swap. Here are the relevant links:
Equisetum praealtum page
Equisetum hyemale var. affine page
Equisetum hyemale page

Posted by davidenrique over 2 years ago
Posted by dryopteris2 over 2 years ago

I don't have a strong opinion either way-- but the two should not be treated as separate taxa.
Seems the swap was drafted a year ago, but never committed: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/64880.

Posted by dryopteris2 over 2 years ago

Personally, I'm inclined to this sort of thing, but feel that this one is premature. There's, to my knowledge, one study that shows that the NA and Eurasian hyemale are reciprocally monophyletic, but with pretty modest sampling (geographic sampling) and the divergence is pretty shallow (compared to the commonly-recognized species of Equisetum). And I don't feel that praealtum has any real traction with field botanists--ie, a lot of people will be upset or confused...

Posted by crothfels over 2 years ago

(Note that the fern treatment rather deliberately stays clear of POWO, so I wouldn't count POWO's recognition of praealtum as a point in favor in this particular case)

Posted by crothfels over 2 years ago

Per my comments at the swap, I don't think treatment of E. praealtum at the species level is justified yet, although it might be in the future; I'd prefer to keep it at ssp. affine at present. I'll see if I can modify the swap to go the other way.

Posted by choess over 2 years ago

From the scientific point of view, one should wait for universal scientific acceptance and more publications on this topic, so far we have only 1 publication and that is definitely not enough from the point of view of scientific research methodology. That's why I stick to the older version and look forward to more publications; it is taxonomically very reckless to introduce a newer version without definitive scientific evidence.

Posted by radekwalkowiak over 2 years ago

Looks like everyone is in agreement. Someone want to go ahead and commit the swap?
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/64880

Posted by dryopteris2 over 2 years ago

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